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re: The .30-06 conspiracy theory is the theory with the most legs.

Posted on 12/14/25 at 12:47 pm to
Posted by llfshoals
Member since Nov 2010
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Posted on 12/14/25 at 12:47 pm to
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They can push the unbelievable narrative that a 30 06 that can smash a cinderblock every time can somehow be stopped by a person‘s neck bone
If you’re exceptionally stupid you believe it’s not possible in the face of the fact it did.

The cinder block analogy is particularly hilarious. You’re comparing an apple and a carp and saying they’re the same.
Posted by Trevaylin
south texas
Member since Feb 2019
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Posted on 12/14/25 at 12:55 pm to
Cheaper Than Dirt currently has 86 different 30-06 cartridges for sale. Until the specific cartridge is indentified, we have 9 pages of pure speculation.
Posted by the808bass
The Lou
Member since Oct 2012
125509 posts
Posted on 12/14/25 at 1:05 pm to
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Someone forgot to tell this to all the deer I've killed over the years....


I guess your experience killing deer trumps medical journals and case studies. Good stuff, bammer.
Posted by BabyDraco1499
Hellexandria
Member since Nov 2025
877 posts
Posted on 12/14/25 at 1:10 pm to
Ehhhhh, practical experience should be welcomed not shunned just because you don't like the result/opinion. Actually understanding bullet physics and terminal ballistics is arguably more important than a medical examiner essentially guessing imo
This post was edited on 12/14/25 at 1:11 pm
Posted by BabyDraco1499
Hellexandria
Member since Nov 2025
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Posted on 12/14/25 at 1:13 pm to
True, but like you said one of the most important facts is the type of round used. Once it impacts what is the behavior of the bullet inside? Tumble? Splinter? Penetrate? That COULD maybe explain why
Posted by RollTide4547
Member since Dec 2024
3385 posts
Posted on 12/14/25 at 1:14 pm to
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And you are proof that has nothing to do with understanding terminal ballistics
And you running your trap without having any real world experience on the subject. There is a reason why the M1 Garand was chambered in 30-06 in WWII.
Posted by BabyDraco1499
Hellexandria
Member since Nov 2025
877 posts
Posted on 12/14/25 at 1:15 pm to
THIS!!!!

What happened upon impact. What was the grain, the powder, the casing, the integrity of the weapon even.
Posted by RollTide4547
Member since Dec 2024
3385 posts
Posted on 12/14/25 at 1:15 pm to
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I guess your experience killing deer trumps medical journals and case studies. Good stuff, bammer.
How much actual real world experience do you have with the caliber?
Posted by the808bass
The Lou
Member since Oct 2012
125509 posts
Posted on 12/14/25 at 1:16 pm to
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How much actual real world experience do you have with the caliber?


Zero. How many ballistics reports have you done? Or autopsies with bullet wounds?
Posted by the808bass
The Lou
Member since Oct 2012
125509 posts
Posted on 12/14/25 at 1:17 pm to
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than a medical examiner essentially guessing imo


A medical examiner observing a bullet without an exit wound is in no way “essentially guessing.”
This post was edited on 12/14/25 at 1:18 pm
Posted by BabyDraco1499
Hellexandria
Member since Nov 2025
877 posts
Posted on 12/14/25 at 1:19 pm to
A medical examiner can only report the findings. In this case, no exit would. That is why there is an entire occupation "forensic examiner"
Posted by RollTide4547
Member since Dec 2024
3385 posts
Posted on 12/14/25 at 1:21 pm to
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Zero
So you don't know what you're talking about.

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How many ballistics reports have you done?
None, other than what I'm reporting here based upon my actual real world experience with the round

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Or autopsies with bullet wounds?
On humans, none. On deer (white tail and mule) probably 50 or so over the years. On antelope, one. None of my shots failed to exit the animal. The antelope was up hill and quartering away. Shot entered left kill zone and pretty much destroy the right shoulder. MUCH more density and bone than the human neck.
Posted by bhtigerfan
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2008
32986 posts
Posted on 12/14/25 at 1:21 pm to
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Thats what all the conspiracy nuts are missing in this. Yall are hung up on the headstamp and old rifle when in reality the construction of the bullet is by far the biggest factor in what happened.
This.

Most of the people talking here know absolutely nothing about bullet construction and performance.
Posted by the808bass
The Lou
Member since Oct 2012
125509 posts
Posted on 12/14/25 at 1:21 pm to
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A medical examiner can only report the findings.


You think this is a point.

We have people in this thread and on this board stating that every single 30-.06 in every situation will have an exit wound. Do you agree with that?
Posted by the808bass
The Lou
Member since Oct 2012
125509 posts
Posted on 12/14/25 at 1:22 pm to
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None


So you don’t know what you’re talking about.

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On humans, none.


So you don’t know what you’re talking about.
Posted by BabyDraco1499
Hellexandria
Member since Nov 2025
877 posts
Posted on 12/14/25 at 1:30 pm to
Yes and no.

Here's why- The type of bullet. Was it FMJ? Hollow Point? What was the grainage? Powder type and quality. A poorly powdered round with light grain, and a number of tip types would 110% explain the no exit wound. MLK is an example and he was shot closer than Charlie was.

Do I believe a 180 grain FMJ would absolutely OBLITERATE someone's neck? Ya damn right. But what about a 140 grain hollow point with dated powder? (likely was dated powder I find it reasonable to conclude that seeing as how it was his grandfather's weapon and likely his ammo that he used, would be curious if he or his family made any recent purchases for that weapon could help explain)

My frustration is the admin knows conversations like this are happening. I know that the trial and what not but they can do what I just did and explain in depth why they came to that conclusion. Will never happen but wishful thinking

Edit- A lot of the people I see trying to recreate it uses those bruiser rounds that are meant to cause that absolute devastation. Just fueling the fire which is aggravating. A man was assassinated for speaking on what he believed in and we have this. It is just sad.
This post was edited on 12/14/25 at 1:34 pm
Posted by Gaspergou202
Metairie, LA
Member since Jun 2016
14259 posts
Posted on 12/14/25 at 1:34 pm to
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Can you provide a link with a neck stopping an.30-06 round from -200 yards and a 9 degree incline stopping a .30-06 round besides CK?


We know he was shot. If you don’t think a 30-06 could do what it did, then tell us what caliber could and would.
Posted by bhtigerfan
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2008
32986 posts
Posted on 12/14/25 at 1:38 pm to
Let’s clear up a few misnomers here first.

Bullets don’t tumble, they deflect, usually off of bone.

And a bullets “performance” is determined by its makeup and design.

Most bullets are made of lead, copper, steel, or alloys of these metals and combinations of them. Bonded bullets are usually lead core bullets encased in copper.

You can shoot a 30.06 bonded bullet at a deer’s shoulder and it will break apart after hitting the first or second shoulder blade and not pass through.

Or you can do the same with a solid copper bullet (like a Barnes TSX) and it will blow right through both shoulder blades and out the other side.

Read up on “weight retention” on bullets for more info on penetration of bullets.

Many bonded bullets have poor weight retention due to shedding pieces of the bullet after contact and thus have less penetration.
Posted by RollTide4547
Member since Dec 2024
3385 posts
Posted on 12/14/25 at 1:44 pm to
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Bullets don’t tumble, they deflect, usually off of bone.

Never said they don't deflect. They just don't deflect 90+ degrees. They don't explode when they hit a small bone like a vertebrae.
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You can shoot a 30.06 bonded bullet at a deer’s shoulder and it will break apart after hitting the first or second shoulder blade and not pass through.
Very large bone. Much bigger than a neck bone.
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Read up on “weight retention” on bullets for more info on penetration of bullets.

Not disagreeing about penetration, but how much penetration is needed for the human neck? Not much

For the bullet to not exit the body, it would have had to deflect almost 90 degrees....
Posted by Folsom
Folsom
Member since Mar 2006
3567 posts
Posted on 12/14/25 at 1:44 pm to
“ The cinder block analogy is particularly hilarious. ”

30 million rifle hunters and 5000 surgeons know the cinder block analogy is absolutely true and trolls like you are fraudsters. Ruby Ridge, Crooks, Waco, Vegas were all phony set ups. You must believe the Lee Harvey Oswald stop.
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