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re: The .30-06 conspiracy theory is the theory with the most legs.
Posted on 12/14/25 at 12:47 pm to Folsom
Posted on 12/14/25 at 12:47 pm to Folsom
quote:If you’re exceptionally stupid you believe it’s not possible in the face of the fact it did.
They can push the unbelievable narrative that a 30 06 that can smash a cinderblock every time can somehow be stopped by a person‘s neck bone
The cinder block analogy is particularly hilarious. You’re comparing an apple and a carp and saying they’re the same.
Posted on 12/14/25 at 12:55 pm to llfshoals
Cheaper Than Dirt currently has 86 different 30-06 cartridges for sale. Until the specific cartridge is indentified, we have 9 pages of pure speculation.
Posted on 12/14/25 at 1:05 pm to RollTide4547
quote:
Someone forgot to tell this to all the deer I've killed over the years....
I guess your experience killing deer trumps medical journals and case studies. Good stuff, bammer.
Posted on 12/14/25 at 1:10 pm to the808bass
Ehhhhh, practical experience should be welcomed not shunned just because you don't like the result/opinion. Actually understanding bullet physics and terminal ballistics is arguably more important than a medical examiner essentially guessing imo
This post was edited on 12/14/25 at 1:11 pm
Posted on 12/14/25 at 1:13 pm to RollTide4547
True, but like you said one of the most important facts is the type of round used. Once it impacts what is the behavior of the bullet inside? Tumble? Splinter? Penetrate? That COULD maybe explain why
Posted on 12/14/25 at 1:14 pm to DownshiftAndFloorIt
quote:And you running your trap without having any real world experience on the subject. There is a reason why the M1 Garand was chambered in 30-06 in WWII.
And you are proof that has nothing to do with understanding terminal ballistics
Posted on 12/14/25 at 1:15 pm to RogerTheShrubber
THIS!!!!
What happened upon impact. What was the grain, the powder, the casing, the integrity of the weapon even.
What happened upon impact. What was the grain, the powder, the casing, the integrity of the weapon even.
Posted on 12/14/25 at 1:15 pm to the808bass
quote:How much actual real world experience do you have with the caliber?
I guess your experience killing deer trumps medical journals and case studies. Good stuff, bammer.
Posted on 12/14/25 at 1:16 pm to RollTide4547
quote:
How much actual real world experience do you have with the caliber?
Zero. How many ballistics reports have you done? Or autopsies with bullet wounds?
Posted on 12/14/25 at 1:17 pm to BabyDraco1499
quote:
than a medical examiner essentially guessing imo
A medical examiner observing a bullet without an exit wound is in no way “essentially guessing.”
This post was edited on 12/14/25 at 1:18 pm
Posted on 12/14/25 at 1:19 pm to the808bass
A medical examiner can only report the findings. In this case, no exit would. That is why there is an entire occupation "forensic examiner"
Posted on 12/14/25 at 1:21 pm to the808bass
quote:So you don't know what you're talking about.
Zero
quote:None, other than what I'm reporting here based upon my actual real world experience with the round
How many ballistics reports have you done?
quote:On humans, none. On deer (white tail and mule) probably 50 or so over the years. On antelope, one. None of my shots failed to exit the animal. The antelope was up hill and quartering away. Shot entered left kill zone and pretty much destroy the right shoulder. MUCH more density and bone than the human neck.
Or autopsies with bullet wounds?
Posted on 12/14/25 at 1:21 pm to DownshiftAndFloorIt
quote:This.
Thats what all the conspiracy nuts are missing in this. Yall are hung up on the headstamp and old rifle when in reality the construction of the bullet is by far the biggest factor in what happened.
Most of the people talking here know absolutely nothing about bullet construction and performance.
Posted on 12/14/25 at 1:21 pm to BabyDraco1499
quote:
A medical examiner can only report the findings.
You think this is a point.
We have people in this thread and on this board stating that every single 30-.06 in every situation will have an exit wound. Do you agree with that?
Posted on 12/14/25 at 1:22 pm to RollTide4547
quote:
None
So you don’t know what you’re talking about.
quote:
On humans, none.
So you don’t know what you’re talking about.
Posted on 12/14/25 at 1:30 pm to the808bass
Yes and no.
Here's why- The type of bullet. Was it FMJ? Hollow Point? What was the grainage? Powder type and quality. A poorly powdered round with light grain, and a number of tip types would 110% explain the no exit wound. MLK is an example and he was shot closer than Charlie was.
Do I believe a 180 grain FMJ would absolutely OBLITERATE someone's neck? Ya damn right. But what about a 140 grain hollow point with dated powder? (likely was dated powder I find it reasonable to conclude that seeing as how it was his grandfather's weapon and likely his ammo that he used, would be curious if he or his family made any recent purchases for that weapon could help explain)
My frustration is the admin knows conversations like this are happening. I know that the trial and what not but they can do what I just did and explain in depth why they came to that conclusion. Will never happen but wishful thinking
Edit- A lot of the people I see trying to recreate it uses those bruiser rounds that are meant to cause that absolute devastation. Just fueling the fire which is aggravating. A man was assassinated for speaking on what he believed in and we have this. It is just sad.
Here's why- The type of bullet. Was it FMJ? Hollow Point? What was the grainage? Powder type and quality. A poorly powdered round with light grain, and a number of tip types would 110% explain the no exit wound. MLK is an example and he was shot closer than Charlie was.
Do I believe a 180 grain FMJ would absolutely OBLITERATE someone's neck? Ya damn right. But what about a 140 grain hollow point with dated powder? (likely was dated powder I find it reasonable to conclude that seeing as how it was his grandfather's weapon and likely his ammo that he used, would be curious if he or his family made any recent purchases for that weapon could help explain)
My frustration is the admin knows conversations like this are happening. I know that the trial and what not but they can do what I just did and explain in depth why they came to that conclusion. Will never happen but wishful thinking
Edit- A lot of the people I see trying to recreate it uses those bruiser rounds that are meant to cause that absolute devastation. Just fueling the fire which is aggravating. A man was assassinated for speaking on what he believed in and we have this. It is just sad.
This post was edited on 12/14/25 at 1:34 pm
Posted on 12/14/25 at 1:34 pm to Sassafrasology
quote:
Can you provide a link with a neck stopping an.30-06 round from -200 yards and a 9 degree incline stopping a .30-06 round besides CK?
We know he was shot. If you don’t think a 30-06 could do what it did, then tell us what caliber could and would.
Posted on 12/14/25 at 1:38 pm to RollTide4547
Let’s clear up a few misnomers here first.
Bullets don’t tumble, they deflect, usually off of bone.
And a bullets “performance” is determined by its makeup and design.
Most bullets are made of lead, copper, steel, or alloys of these metals and combinations of them. Bonded bullets are usually lead core bullets encased in copper.
You can shoot a 30.06 bonded bullet at a deer’s shoulder and it will break apart after hitting the first or second shoulder blade and not pass through.
Or you can do the same with a solid copper bullet (like a Barnes TSX) and it will blow right through both shoulder blades and out the other side.
Read up on “weight retention” on bullets for more info on penetration of bullets.
Many bonded bullets have poor weight retention due to shedding pieces of the bullet after contact and thus have less penetration.
Bullets don’t tumble, they deflect, usually off of bone.
And a bullets “performance” is determined by its makeup and design.
Most bullets are made of lead, copper, steel, or alloys of these metals and combinations of them. Bonded bullets are usually lead core bullets encased in copper.
You can shoot a 30.06 bonded bullet at a deer’s shoulder and it will break apart after hitting the first or second shoulder blade and not pass through.
Or you can do the same with a solid copper bullet (like a Barnes TSX) and it will blow right through both shoulder blades and out the other side.
Read up on “weight retention” on bullets for more info on penetration of bullets.
Many bonded bullets have poor weight retention due to shedding pieces of the bullet after contact and thus have less penetration.
Posted on 12/14/25 at 1:44 pm to bhtigerfan
quote:Never said they don't deflect. They just don't deflect 90+ degrees. They don't explode when they hit a small bone like a vertebrae.
Bullets don’t tumble, they deflect, usually off of bone.
quote:Very large bone. Much bigger than a neck bone.
You can shoot a 30.06 bonded bullet at a deer’s shoulder and it will break apart after hitting the first or second shoulder blade and not pass through.
quote:Not disagreeing about penetration, but how much penetration is needed for the human neck? Not much
Read up on “weight retention” on bullets for more info on penetration of bullets.
For the bullet to not exit the body, it would have had to deflect almost 90 degrees....
Posted on 12/14/25 at 1:44 pm to llfshoals
“ The cinder block analogy is particularly hilarious. ”
30 million rifle hunters and 5000 surgeons know the cinder block analogy is absolutely true and trolls like you are fraudsters. Ruby Ridge, Crooks, Waco, Vegas were all phony set ups. You must believe the Lee Harvey Oswald stop.
30 million rifle hunters and 5000 surgeons know the cinder block analogy is absolutely true and trolls like you are fraudsters. Ruby Ridge, Crooks, Waco, Vegas were all phony set ups. You must believe the Lee Harvey Oswald stop.
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