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re: The .30-06 conspiracy theory is the theory with the most legs.
Posted on 12/14/25 at 6:04 pm to FutureMikeVIII
Posted on 12/14/25 at 6:04 pm to FutureMikeVIII
quote:What matters in this case is line of sight from peak bullet height which is at 100 yards, not barrel angle.
Still dropping relative to the barrel angle, which is what he was saying. Bullets appear to rise relative to the line of sight, but not the barrel.
This post was edited on 12/14/25 at 6:10 pm
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Posted on 12/14/25 at 6:07 pm to goldennugget
Did she attack Erika Kirk on that day?
Seems really normal then.
Seems really normal then.
Posted on 12/14/25 at 6:13 pm to RollTide4547
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Bullets never climb relative to the direction at exit.
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Sure they do, if you aim them up.
Did you read the last six words of my sentence.
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It didn't start dropping until it was at 100 yards.
The bullet started dropping the instant it left the barrel. You are talking about relative to the scopes line of sight. A bullet never rises about the initial patch as it exits the barrel.
Posted on 12/14/25 at 6:18 pm to llfshoals
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While not certain, I’d say the odds of specialty ammo is low given the profile of the shooter.
150 grain 165 and 180 are the most common bullets used for deer hunting. Each has different weights so different velocities and different ft pounds. None of those are specialty rounds.
Also managed recoil isn't exactly all that rare.
And was the bullet ballistic tip? round nose? Pointed soft point?
None of that is specialty.
A 180 grain bullet has a thicker jacket than a 150 grain bullet. These things are all relevant and things we don't have the answer too.
Posted on 12/14/25 at 6:23 pm to RollTide4547
quote:Grew up in rural Alabama. Quite familiar with it. Got my first gun when I was 10, that was a very long time ago.
Too many people here haven't got outside enough. Spend a little time hunting, see what a bullet really does and you might understand.
quote:Not sure what the required Newton number to penetrate the spinal vertebrae of an antelope is. For human it’s about 3000 newtons based on research I’ve seen. From the article studies have shown, he added, that it would require a force greater than 3,000 newtons to fracture the cervical spine. That’s equal to the impact created by a 500-pound car crashing into a wall at 30 miles per hour
I believe that that antelope's shoulder bone was more dense than Kirk's neck.
The point being it’s actually harder to break human vertebrae than you think. Think about what it’s protecting and why being very tough matters. If it strikes at the joint where the disc material is, much easier. If it hits center mass, particularly if there’s some angle involved deflecting into the body doesn’t sound implausible at all.
Before you get too deep in the weeds about “didn’t happen when I was hunting X” look at bone density comparison.
Posted on 12/14/25 at 6:26 pm to omegaman66
I shoot a handloaded 30-06 125 gr. Nosler Ballistic Tip for whitetails. It's going 3200 fps. I've stopped it in whitetails more than half a dozen times over the years. They fall over dead generally because all that energy is used in the body. Most of those were from hitting a rib. Other times I've hit the same spot and blown a hole out the other side you could stick both fists in.
When I saw the shot on Charley the first time it looked exactly like when that happens on a deer. You get a ragged hole on entry that the hydrostatic pressure blows blood out of like a water hose, then it mostly bleeds into the cavity. The hole is usually a half to one inch in diameter.
I've shot Accellerators that are a sabot round pushing past 4000 fps. It will shoot through a solid steel bumper like it's not even there but it will stop in a deers neck.
The people who say a 30-06 can't stop in a human are just ignorant. Of course it can.
When I saw the shot on Charley the first time it looked exactly like when that happens on a deer. You get a ragged hole on entry that the hydrostatic pressure blows blood out of like a water hose, then it mostly bleeds into the cavity. The hole is usually a half to one inch in diameter.
I've shot Accellerators that are a sabot round pushing past 4000 fps. It will shoot through a solid steel bumper like it's not even there but it will stop in a deers neck.
The people who say a 30-06 can't stop in a human are just ignorant. Of course it can.
Posted on 12/14/25 at 6:39 pm to Captain Rumbeard
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people who say a 30-06 can't stop in a human are just ignorant. Of course it can.
BUT ARE YOU WILLING TO PROVE IT TO THE INTERNET?????
Posted on 12/14/25 at 6:41 pm to DownshiftAndFloorIt
I mean I guess I could film me shooting a few deer till I catch one. I caught one last month in a fine eight point in Shongaloo. I didn't open him up but I know what it looked like in there. Acorn stew with a side of shredded guts.
Posted on 12/14/25 at 6:54 pm to Captain Rumbeard
I was being a smartass. Theres some experts here who believe it is absolutely impossible for a .30-06 bullet (of any kind at any velocity apparently) to not exit a human.
Posted on 12/14/25 at 7:07 pm to llfshoals
quote:Let's see. We'll assume that "it would require a force greater than 3,000 newtons to fracture the cervical spine." is accurate. If we take the 2200 ft/lbs of force that the bullet will still have at impact we see that it is equal to 2982.7994862 Newton Meters. ft/lbs to newton meters. That's pretty stinking close to 3000. Sounds like the 30-06 180 grain bullet at 150 yards would suffice for severing the cervical spine.
Before you get too deep in the weeds about “didn’t happen when I was hunting X” look at bone density comparison.
Posted on 12/14/25 at 7:18 pm to RollTide4547
You didn’t allow for the loss of force from the impact of the skin until the spine.
Unless you’re going to insist on no loss, which is silly.
Even at your 2200 lb/ft number, it’s borderline. Which hardly makes penetration a certainty.
So we have established, using your numbers that a shot not penetrating the spine is in fact plausible.
Thanks for playing.
Unless you’re going to insist on no loss, which is silly.
Even at your 2200 lb/ft number, it’s borderline. Which hardly makes penetration a certainty.
So we have established, using your numbers that a shot not penetrating the spine is in fact plausible.
Thanks for playing.
Posted on 12/14/25 at 8:04 pm to llfshoals
Bullets get deflected by sticks a bit. People acting like this is impossible do not know what they are talking about. I hunt. I would expect it to penetrate most times (150 grain and up). But some percent it does not. 
Posted on 12/15/25 at 1:32 am to llfshoals
quote:Get the frick out of here. That's nothing.
You didn’t allow for the loss of force from the impact of the skin until the spine.
quote:What we have established is you don't know everything and You lost this argument. Now tuck your tail and get back under the porch where you belong.
So we have established, using your numbers that a shot not penetrating the spine is in fact plausible.
Posted on 12/15/25 at 1:36 am to omegaman66
quote:Yes a degree or two. Not almost 90 degrees. People who think a bullet is going to deflect 60, 70, 80 or 90 degrees instead of blowing thru that bone are the ones who don't know what they are talking about.
Bullets get deflected by sticks a bit.
Posted on 12/15/25 at 1:38 am to RogerTheShrubber
quote:No you ain't. You got your arse handed to you and you know it. That's why you tucked tail.
I'm just laughing my arse off at this supposed farmer who claims to hunt but has zero idea about bullet ballistics anc composition.
Posted on 12/15/25 at 4:43 am to RollTide4547
quote:Never seen a ballistic gel test I see.
Get the frick out of here. That's nothing.
quote:And there we have it. In the face of the science, using numbers you provided (which I pointed out you inflated) I proved the case.
What we have established is you don't know everything and You lost this argument.
You can now admit no data would change what you want to be true and are too wedded to your conspiracy theory to accept it.
This is why people like you always lose. Thanks for playing.
Posted on 12/15/25 at 5:23 am to llfshoals
quote:Apparently you've never see a live test of the ammunition on a living creature. There is a reason that the M1 Garand was chambered in 30-06. It wasn't to ricochet and stay in the enemy soldiers body.
Never seen a ballistic gel test I see.
quote:Pot calling the black are ya? You should really read the story of the pot and kettle.
You can now admit no data would change what you want to be true and are too wedded to your conspiracy theory to accept it.
quote:Spend all your time playing with your little pud and a video game controller. But someone else is the loser? Projection I see.
This is why people like you always lose.
Posted on 12/15/25 at 5:54 am to RollTide4547
quote:You seem to have a lot of firearms knowledge, but little anatomic or historical knowledge to go with it.
Might matter in a moose neck or grizzly neck or a buffalo neck, but it won't matter in a human neck. I could drive a #2 Phillips screw driver thru a human neck with my bare hands and there is no way I can generate 2400+ ft/lbs of force with my hands.
When you make a post as definitive as the one quoted above, and it is uploaded just a couple of posts down from an example of a .30-06 gunshot wound to the neck of a human being with no exit wound, it's sort of hurts your credibility.
This post was edited on 12/15/25 at 5:55 am
Posted on 12/15/25 at 7:26 am to RollTide4547
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No you ain't. You got your arse handed to you and you know it.
Everyone here is educating you. Some far better than I ever could, you would be wise to learn and accept your foolishness with grace.
Posted on 12/15/25 at 7:36 am to RogerTheShrubber
quote:You'd be wise to sit quietly and let those around you think you're an idiot than to your mouth and remove all doubt. There are lots of folks here like you though, lots of mouth but little to no experience.
Some far better than I ever could, you would be wise to learn and accept your foolishness with grace.
As ranchers would say, "Y'all are all hat and no cattle".
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