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re: The 3 reasons progressives should realize transgenderism is illogical (even to them)
Posted on 8/9/17 at 9:54 am to UGATiger26
Posted on 8/9/17 at 9:54 am to UGATiger26
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#1 makes perfect sense. You cannot explain to me what it "feels like" to be a girl or a boy. Therefore, there is no basis for changing your gender because you "feel like" the opposite gender.
your basis is wrong though
it isn't that the "feel like" a girl, its just what the feel is more comfortable and natural
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The best you can do is to say that you feel attracted to things that the opposite gender seems to be attracted to, but that now puts us in point #2.
which again, doesn't go against the progressive ideology because it's all about being "you", right?
I really don't want to defend trans, but your points are flawed
there are better arguments to make your point
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Posted on 8/9/17 at 9:55 am to UGATiger26
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When transgenderism was restricted to isolated adults wanting to do their own thing, I didn't care.
I hear ya and agree adults doing their own thing never bothered me. Though it seems we usually only hear about them when bathroom bills or bannings are announced. Then they flock to fight against it.
I haven't heard any actual occurrences of issues caused by trans people. Am I missing something or are they actually being a menace to society?
Posted on 8/9/17 at 10:00 am to TBoy
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Of course it is illogical. But why would you want to use the power of the state to pick on them? What kind of sick person tries to whip up folks to put these people down? Leave them alone. That is the only logical course of action.
When did I ever mention the power of the state?
Just because someone disagrees with something doesn't mean they want the government to get involved.
Posted on 8/9/17 at 10:04 am to UGATiger26
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Just because someone disagrees with something doesn't mean they want the government to get involved.
Actually, it's the complete opposite. Same with gays. Most people who were/are anti gay don't want the government oppressing gays. They just think they are wrong. But it's the gays and trannies and THEIR supporters who wish to use the state to force behaviors on people. I mean we've all heard stories of gays suing bakers over cakes. Have we heard any stories of bakers suing gays for having gay weddings? Of course not.
Posted on 8/9/17 at 10:07 am to UGATiger26
I feel like I should be a billionaire.
I demand to be trans-classed immediately.
I demand to be trans-classed immediately.
Posted on 8/9/17 at 10:12 am to Salmon
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its just what the feel is more comfortable and natural
Why should it feel more comfortable? Because of the acknowledgement that there are differences between the genders and they are expected to act/think differently?
Again, point #2.
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which again, doesn't go against the progressive ideology because it's all about being "you", right?
It doesn't go against THAT particular nugget of ideology. It goes against the progressive ideology that boys and girls are the same. See backlash to the now infamous Google memo.
The "you being you" logical inconsistency is addressed more in #3.
This post was edited on 8/9/17 at 10:14 am
Posted on 8/9/17 at 10:19 am to UGATiger26
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Why should it feel more comfortable?
again...because of the "be you" ideology
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It goes against the progressive ideology that boys and girls are the same.
the belief is that their capabilities are the same, not their emotions
I understand the inconsistencies, your original points were just not that good in pointing them out
Posted on 8/9/17 at 10:27 am to Salmon
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the belief is that their capabilities are the same, not their emotions
L.O.L.
Write an op-ed about how women are more emotional than men and prone to emotional behavior (i.e. crying) and see what happens.
Either way, no, male and female capabilities and proficiencies are not the same. This actually goes hand-in-hand with what males and females are inherently drawn to in regards to toys, hobbies, professions, etc. This is not some hack patriarchal conspiracy theory.
This post was edited on 8/9/17 at 10:29 am
Posted on 8/9/17 at 10:28 am to UGATiger26
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Write an op-ed about how women are more emotional than men and prone to emotional behavior and see what happens.
well that isn't what I stated
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no, male and female capabilities and proficiency are not the same.
I agree
Posted on 8/9/17 at 10:37 am to UGATiger26
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UGATiger26
Is a hundred percent right. The progressive logic is particularly flawed here.
Posted on 8/9/17 at 10:39 am to UGATiger26
quote:This is really the problem from jump.
I think when most people hear the explanation that "John feels as if he should be a girl"
Liberals simultaneously hold the following positions.
1. A Person can be born a woman in a man's body.
2. Other than physical, differences between men and women are social constructs.
If 2 is true, 1 makes no sense.
"Feeling like a woman in a man's body" would be exactly the same as "feeling like a man in a man's body".
Posted on 8/9/17 at 10:40 am to UGATiger26
is it right to tell a schizophrenic that the voices in his head are real and that there is nothing wrong with him?
oops, sorry i used a gendered pronoun.
oops, sorry i used a gendered pronoun.
Posted on 8/9/17 at 10:41 am to Salmon
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no, male and female capabilities and proficiency are not the same. I agree
Well. You can remove Google from your list of places to send your resume!
Posted on 8/9/17 at 10:46 am to UGATiger26
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Now it's being shoved down the throats of young kids who are unable to defend themselves from wingbat progressive parents and teachers. I care about that.
Yeah, I don't give a single shite what adult transgendered people do. I do give a shite about the kids though and think it is sick what these parents are doing to the kids. I'd ban hormone treatment under 18 if I became President tomorrow (although I may reluctantly relent to people who were put on the treatment before the ban).
Posted on 8/9/17 at 10:52 am to OMLandshark
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I do give a shite about the kids though and think it is sick what these parents are doing to the kids
Yep.
Because here's just a stone cold fact.
Even if a child WILL end up trans as an adult, there's not one fricking thing a 4 or 5 year old could tell you that would be compelling evidence of it.
So, when your 4 or 5 year old articulates gender confusion(which is actually REALLY frickING COMMON), you are confronted with the following realities.
1. It's a near statistical certainty that your child isn't going to be trans post-puberty.
2. Even if your child ends up not being straight, they are still hundreds of times more likely to just be gay than trans. And those two ARE NOT the same thing! LOL
3. He's trans.
So. You can go all in raising your boy as a girl and if it turns out that
1 is true, you will have fricked them up for life. They will hit puberty after mommy made a huge deal about how they were a girl and it ain't like changing your favorite color. They aren't just going to go, "Mmkay, I'm a boy now".
2 is true. SAME problem as 1.
3 is true. Congrats. You got lucky.
But wait. If 3 is true, you could have exactly the same effect if you simply weren't an a-hole about your boy being a shade prissy and waiting it out till puberty. I mean yes. There might be some of that same confusion. But, I mean..........you're only about 1000 times more likely to be correct if you don't go all in.
So. There's that.
Posted on 8/9/17 at 10:56 am to RIPMachoMan
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I haven't heard any actual occurrences of issues caused by trans people. Am I missing something or are they actually being a menace to society?
The issue is that we have laws/rules/regulations classified by what we have always traditionally recognized as the two genders assigned biologically soon after conception. Once you make gender subjective then problems arise as to enforcement of the rules/laws/regs, etc. Who is the arbiter of establishing the correct gender?
Everyone uses the bathroom as an example. I am a male. However, based upon the current liberal gender arguments I could walk into the woman's restroom unimpeded simply by saying "I know I look like a man, but I feel like a woman." Even though I look like a man, who is the store owner, police, etc. to say I'm "wrong" about my gender. What if I'm just pretending to be a woman just to look at naked women. What is there to stop me from doing so if any sort of threat of criminal charges/prosecution is off the table?
Another example is laws re: contracts for minority and female owned businesses. If I, as a male, "feel" like a woman, am I eligible to bid on such contracts? Who is the government to tell me I'm NOT a woman? Am I required to prove I really consider myself to be a woman? How is that proved? Can I be a "woman" without undergoing a sex change? What is the standard? It's all COMPLETELY arbitrary and subjective
Posted on 8/9/17 at 11:14 am to UGATiger26
tl;dr transgenders are mentally ill
Posted on 8/9/17 at 11:21 am to FooManChoo
quote:so is religion. both of you are hearing voices in your head telling you to do things. the main difference is religion is much more destructive and evil.
Transgenderism is a mental illness and it is a terrible thing to not treat it as such but to encourage people to not seek help for it but to give in to that delusion.
Posted on 8/9/17 at 11:26 am to Alt26
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What if I'm just pretending to be a woman just to look at naked women.
Do you know a lot of women that get naked in public bathrooms?
Posted on 8/9/17 at 11:38 am to UGATiger26
I think you should get your mind off transgenderism. Here, let me help:
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