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re: The 3 reasons progressives should realize transgenderism is illogical (even to them)
Posted on 8/9/17 at 11:48 am to UGATiger26
Posted on 8/9/17 at 11:48 am to UGATiger26
it feels like this is exactly what happens every single time someone here makes a list like this.
your points arent real. theyre just things conservatives made-up because theyre easy to answer.
but thats me. i have my life and trans people have theirs. as long as theyre not hurting anyone, i have no right to tell them what they can and cannot do. personally, I would prefer they not get the surgery. I would also prefer to outlaw alcohol and about 80 percent of the guns in this country. but those things arent gonna happen, because im not in charge of other people.
that idea doesnt only apply when i want it to, it applies always, to everything.
"...shouldn't be afraid..."
"...shouldn't feel pressured..."
these are very different things.
your points arent real. theyre just things conservatives made-up because theyre easy to answer.
quote:for the most part, i agree. i spend most of the day trying to keep sharp things AWAY from my dick, the idea of voluntarily chopping it off is madness to me.
#1: First off, simply the notion that people can "feel like" they are supposed to be a different gender is asinine.
but thats me. i have my life and trans people have theirs. as long as theyre not hurting anyone, i have no right to tell them what they can and cannot do. personally, I would prefer they not get the surgery. I would also prefer to outlaw alcohol and about 80 percent of the guns in this country. but those things arent gonna happen, because im not in charge of other people.
that idea doesnt only apply when i want it to, it applies always, to everything.
quote:again, the premise here isnt real. very obviously there is a long list of differences between genders.
#2: The general concept of genders and gender roles. Progressives have long been attempting to force down our throats that there are little to no inherent differences between genders
quote:no one thinks its healthy and perfectly acceptable to be obese. they shouldnt be attacked for it, but its not ideal either. more to the point...
If a boy "feels like a girl," progressives say they shouldn't be afraid to drastically alter their appearance to conform to what a girl is supposed to be/look like. But if someone is fat, progressives say they shouldn't feel pressured to change to conform to what is supposed to be healthy.
"...shouldn't be afraid..."
"...shouldn't feel pressured..."
these are very different things.
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Posted on 8/9/17 at 12:35 pm to alphaandomega
quote:in 2007, in the US, only 27 percent of Muslims thought homosexuality should be accepted by society. for white evangelical Christians, the number was even lower, 23 percent.
You should add to your list the crazy notion that a lot of gay progressives have. That being Islam. They think we should love Islam and gay people. But Islam despises gay people, to the point of either imprisoning (if they are lucky) to tossing them off a building (if they are not lucky).
today, 52 percent of Muslims say homosexuality should be accepted by society, an improvement of 25 percent.
for white evangelical Christians, it's only gone up 11 percent, from 23 percent to 34.
only 28 percent of evangelicals support gay marriage. 42 percent of muslims do.
so, congratulations. in the US, Muslims are not only more tolerant than most of the people on this board, but theyre more tolerant by a large degree.
quote:the world is a fricked up place, no doubt, but the world’s deadliest country for gay people is still Brazil, which is 90 percent christian. its a massive issue all through christian Africa as well.
...to the point of either imprisoning (if they are lucky) to tossing them off a building (if they are not lucky).
i know christians here like to think theyre better people than muslims.
they arent.
Posted on 8/9/17 at 12:37 pm to MastrShake
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so is religion. both of you are hearing voices in your head telling you to do things. the main difference is religion is much more destructive and evil.
Liberalism is by far the most dangerous religion in the history of mankind AND a mental illness.
Posted on 8/9/17 at 12:38 pm to MastrShake
quote:
i have my life and trans people have theirs. as long as theyre not hurting anyone, i have no right to tell them what they can and cannot do.
i agree, but this also means they don't get to use the state to tell me or others what to do
quote:
very obviously there is a long list of differences between genders.
it's a good thing you don't work at Google
quote:
no one thinks its healthy and perfectly acceptable to be obese.
100% wrong
Posted on 8/9/17 at 12:43 pm to UGATiger26
Your premise is illogical because you assume that all liberals think each of those things.
Fat people should think about health. Obesity isnt healthy but people can do whatever they want in that regard.
Transgender people are fine with me. It doesnt matter. I refer to people how they would prefer i refer to them.
Youre ranting at a straw man.
Fat people should think about health. Obesity isnt healthy but people can do whatever they want in that regard.
Transgender people are fine with me. It doesnt matter. I refer to people how they would prefer i refer to them.
Youre ranting at a straw man.
Posted on 8/9/17 at 1:40 pm to GumboPot
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#4 Despite all the hormone therapy, gender reassignment surgery and make up, you are still the gender defined by your chromosomes.
A person with XX chromosomes with a transgender mental disorder is simply a masculinized female.
A person with XY chromosomes with a transgender mental disorder is simply a feminized male.
The fix to your statement is "#4 Despite all the hormone therapy, gender reassignment surgery and make up, you are still the SEX defined by your chromosomes. "
Gender is a made up term which by definition is what a person feels like they are. So a person's gender can change based on that person's feelings
Their biological sex is determined by their chromosomes and cannot change.
Posted on 8/9/17 at 1:48 pm to Ebbandflow
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I refer to people how they would prefer i refer to them.
All well and good, but the government should not be in the business of promoting such nonsense either way. And THAT is precisely what liberals are calling for.
If you have a little boy who wants to pretend he's a little girl, the little fig is your problem, not mine. But if that little boy then wants to use the girl's restroom at school that my daughter uses, then yes that becomes MY problem.
Why does your cross dressing kid have a right to be comfortable in the bathroom while my child does not?
The answer to why you and others believe that is so is obvious.
Posted on 8/9/17 at 2:04 pm to UGATiger26
I have said before several times that I don't understand how the transgender movement can exist in the same realm as feminism, much less be supported by the same people.
Posted on 8/9/17 at 2:21 pm to TigerTattle
I wonder if testosterone/estrogen balance has anything to do with that.
Posted on 8/9/17 at 2:32 pm to UGATiger26
Libs are so delusional that they believe if you have a dick that somehow you're not a man. There's no turning back now.
Posted on 8/9/17 at 2:38 pm to drunkenpunkin
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I have said before several times that I don't understand how the transgender movement can exist in the same realm as feminism, much less be supported by the same people.
The same way the same people who scream about racism, the evils of religion, homophobia, and women's rights can defend Islam.
That being that liberals have a brain disorder and zero principles.
Posted on 8/9/17 at 2:55 pm to CptBengal
quote:quote:cant wait to see you try this....
#3 really don't make that much sense and can be explained away pretty easily
go ahead, mental midget, try and explain. We'll all wait.
It's pretty easy, really.
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#3: Trangenderism is 100% at odds with what progressives say about fat people.
The negative stigma around being fat is what some consider to be next frontier of progressivism. But what progressives say about fat people (i.e. "you are beautiful/big is beautiful/don't change") is a complete contradiction of their stance on transgenderism, a phenomenon which - taken to it's most extreme - requires vast amounts of altering your physical appearance and hormonal balance.
If a boy "feels like a girl," progressives say they shouldn't be afraid to drastically alter their appearance to conform to what a girl is supposed to be/look like.
But if someone is fat, progressives say they shouldn't feel pressured to change to conform to what is supposed to be healthy.
This logic is totally bunk. The progressive stance is not to tell someone to change or not change their appearance. Rather, the stance is to allow people to be who they want to be. If a dude wants to be a chick, let him be a chick. If a fat dude wants to be fat, let him be fat.
There is no contradiction in logic here. Live and let live.
Posted on 8/9/17 at 3:10 pm to Alt26
quote:The point is precisely that laws should not depend on gender, so no arbiter is necessary.
The issue is that we have laws/rules/regulations classified by what we have always traditionally recognized as the two genders assigned biologically soon after conception. Once you make gender subjective then problems arise as to enforcement of the rules/laws/regs, etc. Who is the arbiter of establishing the correct gender?
quote:Morals? Decency?
What if I'm just pretending to be a woman just to look at naked women. What is there to stop me from doing so if any sort of threat of criminal charges/prosecution is off the table?
Posted on 8/9/17 at 3:12 pm to Korkstand
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The progressive stance is not to tell someone to change or not change their appearance. Rather, the stance is to allow people to be who they want to be. If a dude wants to be a chick, let him be a chick. If a fat dude wants to be fat, let him be fat.
to be more accurate, the progressive stance is to force people to accept those choices
just like how they believe we should be force to accept the poor eating/health choices of the obese
Posted on 8/9/17 at 3:13 pm to Korkstand
quote:
The point is precisely that laws should not depend on gender
i agree but progressives do not
quote:
Morals? Decency?
well when gender becomes a fluid concept, you can't even use these terms b/c gender as a status will be useless
Posted on 8/9/17 at 3:16 pm to Korkstand
quote:
e progressive stance is not to tell someone to change or not change their appearance. Rather, the stance is to allow people to be who they want to be. If a dude wants to be a chick, let him be a chick. If a fat dude wants to be fat, let him be fat.
That's a complete and total lie. If that was the stance few if any would have a problem with that.
Telling me that I just have to deal with a stinky fat frick taking up half my airplane seat or I'm an a-hole is not just letting fat people be fat people. Telling me that I have to watch my girl lose a sporting event to a stronger boy who has simply said he's a girl today is not simply letting that boy be who he wants to be.
I honestly can't think of a single issue that you "progressives" aren't simply honest about your goals on.
Posted on 8/9/17 at 3:22 pm to SlowFlowPro
quote:The paradox of tolerance, it is sometimes necessary to not tolerate intolerance.
to be more accurate, the progressive stance is to force people to accept those choices
quote:By "forced to accept", I assume you're talking about health care?
just like how they believe we should be force to accept the poor eating/health choices of the obese
Posted on 8/9/17 at 3:26 pm to SlowFlowPro
quote:I don't agree with "positive discrimination", either.quote:i agree but progressives do not
The point is precisely that laws should not depend on gender
quote:You're going to have to explain this one.quote:well when gender becomes a fluid concept, you can't even use these terms b/c gender as a status will be useless
Morals? Decency?
Posted on 8/9/17 at 3:32 pm to ctalati32
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Gender is a made up term which by definition is what a person feels like they are. So a person's gender can change based on that person's feelings
Isn't this what his first question speaks to? If your biological sex is male, how can you know what it is to "feel" like a female?
Moreover, if gender is a social construct, then what characteristics define a particular "gender"?
Do you have to wear a dress to be of the "female" gender? Or can you (a biological male) have a beard, wear jeans and a button down oxford, but still be of the "female" gender? Can females who feel like females but wear jeans and an oxford still be considered "female"? What about homosexuals? Is being attracted to females a characteristic of the social construct of being a male? Can a gay man still be of the male gender even though he is attracted to other men? Can a young boy play with dolls and makeup (traditionally an activity associated with the socially defined female gender) but still be socially a male? Or does his playing with doll automatically change his gender to female even if he does not "feel" like a female nor consider his gender to be female?
Posted on 8/9/17 at 3:33 pm to SlowFlowPro
Who tf even came up with gender fluidity? Sound like something a professor pulled out of his arse.
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