re: The 2018 NRA convention will probably be shut down

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don't care what "honest" pro-life supporters say, they are basing their opinions on Biblical bull shite and I'm basing mine on biology and science. Yes, a blastocyst is alive; no, murdering unthinking cells is not murder.

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Nope

I am an agnostic and a pro-life supporter.

Most scientists and biologists agree that life begins at conception, for your information. It isn't some "biblical bullshite". More than a few people - both religious and agnostic - believe that if the logical foundation that life begins at conception is true, then all moral and legal philosophy should follow from that. If you thus believe a conceived embryo is "life", it logically follows that abortion is murder.

Try again.

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I'm honestly sad this needs to be done but how about the fricking wheel??

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You think the wheel defended colonists from Indian tribes intending to eradicate them? The wheel won the Revolutionary war, oaved the way for manifest destiny of the west, or saved the world from the Nazis?

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If you think free speech isn't as important as a well-armed militia, you have to check out of the conversation. What do you think people are defending?

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I don't think that ordinary people keep free speech, or any of the other rights, without the right of the people to keep and bear arms. Our own government violates and usurps these rights, but look at governments around the world. Brits are being jailed for offensive speech for Christ's sake.

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I never said you don't have the right to venerate them, I said the level of veneration in America is cult-like and the NRA exemplifies that point in spades.

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And I've just proven to you and everyone else that if the NRA venerates anything it is the Constitution, and the right of the people to keep and bear arms. The arms themselves are secondary to the right, and the freedom and liberty that it provides. Without the 2A, you keep fewer, if any, of the others.

The gun being the tool that actually does all of this, if anything the level of veneration for it is shameful. It is in fact a tool that provides like none other in history.

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You just boxed yourself into a hole. You started babbling about science enabling human advancement without realizing that guns are a part of that.

The gun enabled significant civilized advancement, no? You ridiculed that idea, and now you are stuck. Gunpowder is probably the single most important advancement in the last 600 years.

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I'll patiently await you quoting me where I made any of those claims. These games of thinking for other people are growing tiresome.

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Most scientists and biologists agree that life begins at conception, for your information. It isn't some "biblical bullshite". More than a few people - both religious and agnostic - believe that if the logical foundation that life begins at conception and thus all moral and legal philosophy should follow from that. If you thus believe a conceived embryo is "life", then it logically follows that abortion is murder.


That's just a massive load of horse shite and willful misrepresentation of science, there's a difference between destroying a few hundred cells and killing a crying baby and NO scientist respected by his peers would ever equate the two. I'm not surprised you're an agnostic with the level of confusion you just displayed.

An embryo is alive. So was the sperm. Destroying it is not murder and never will be considered murder by any self-respecting scientist.

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You apparently aren't up to date with your science. Most agree that conception is the defining beginning of life.

Sorry you can't handle it. I look forward to more mental gymnastics to get around it.

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Is or is not the gun one of the most important advancements of modern civilization? 

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Absolutely. But not just important, significant too, and there's a relation and distinction there.

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Then what are you arguing?

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Initially it was the NRA's cult-like obsession of guns. Since then, I've been arguing against whatever the frick you and others have put into my mouth. I've had so many opinions formed for me I can't keep track of them all.

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You seem to sit half arse on many of your own opinions.

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I wish I could defend this point but considering most of what you think are my own opinions are just words you've put in my mouth or twisted to fit your presuppositions about how I think. It's like asking, "You seem to sit half arse on many of the things we've told you are your opinions." Yeah, well, NO frickING WONDER YOU THINK THAT!

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You apparently aren't up to date with your science. Most agree that conception is the defining beginning of life.

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I answered at least one of your questions/challenges, so I kindly ask you to return the favor. Where did I say that conception is not the very beginning of life?

I'll tell you what I said to save you the trouble of looking for a quote that doesn't exist: I said that destroying a few hundred cells called a blastocyst is not the equivalent of murdering a baby.