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Text of the First Amendment, since some of you obviously don't get it.
Posted on 3/23/20 at 10:35 am
Posted on 3/23/20 at 10:35 am
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Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
Both of these have been incorporated to apply to the individual states as well. The Constitution is the supreme law of the land and it takes a constitutional amendment to change it.
So tell me, what statute are people breaking when they go to Mass right now? What law will these governors use to deprive people of their liberty and property? Because that little thing called due process requires it.
This post was edited on 3/23/20 at 10:43 am
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Posted on 3/23/20 at 10:36 am to Parmen
Nothing in the constitution is unlimited or absolute. The government has the power to place restrictions on those rights in times of emergency.
It really is that simple.
It really is that simple.
Posted on 3/23/20 at 10:37 am to Parmen
quote:Has anyone been arrested for going to Mass?
So tell me, what statute are people breaking when they go to Mass right now?
Posted on 3/23/20 at 10:38 am to Parmen
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What law will these governors use to deprive people of their liberty and property? Because that little thing called due process requires it.
You don’t understand how this works
Posted on 3/23/20 at 10:38 am to Indefatigable
No they don’t, and if you don’t see the danger in giving anyone, especially socialist, that power you’re beyond saving
Posted on 3/23/20 at 10:38 am to Indefatigable
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Nothing in the constitution is unlimited or absolute. The government has the power to place restrictions on those rights in times of emergency.
Okay lets see:
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Congress (also the states courtesy of the 14th Amendment) shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof
Doesn't seem to leave any wiggle room like you described. Maybe you're like the liberal justices who like to legislate from the bench though.
Posted on 3/23/20 at 10:39 am to Indefatigable
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Nothing in the constitution is unlimited or absolute. The government has the power to place restrictions on those rights in times of emergency.
It really is that simple.
When someone says its not absolute, that is true, but you have taken that out context. Do you have free speech, absolutely... but you are still responsible for your speech.
YOu have to be given due process, meaning they could restrict the movement of an individual that has a virus but not a general order limiting everyone's movement. Unless you are an immediate danger to others than there is no reason to order anything and if so... you still have to be given due process.
This post was edited on 3/23/20 at 10:41 am
Posted on 3/23/20 at 10:39 am to td01241
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No they don’t, and if you don’t see the danger in giving anyone, especially socialist, that power you’re beyond saving
Yes, the government unequivocally does have the power to suspend certain rights in certain situations. That much is indisputable.
Posted on 3/23/20 at 10:39 am to Parmen
weren’t those same rights given/established by ——“the government”?
Posted on 3/23/20 at 10:40 am to LSURussian
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Has anyone been arrested for going to Mass?
Where did I mention "arrest" in my OP?
Posted on 3/23/20 at 10:40 am to Indefatigable
No they don't. Saying they do and going unchallenged is not the same as having the power.
Posted on 3/23/20 at 10:40 am to Parmen
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Doesn't seem to leave any wiggle room like you described. Maybe you're like the liberal justices who like to legislate from the bench though
Then take that up with a century of SCOTUS decisions. Emergency powers exist, and there is a jurisprudential threshold on what and when the government can curtail certain things. In the interest of the general welfare, national defense, etc.
Posted on 3/23/20 at 10:40 am to Indefatigable
Ok let’s say they do. I have the right to ignore them. The very first amendment is pretty clear and I don’t agree this situation warrants the extreme measures we are taking.
Posted on 3/23/20 at 10:41 am to Indefatigable
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The government has the power to place restrictions on those rights in times of emergency.
If the government can take away fundamental, enumerated natural rights based on what the government itself deems an "emergency", then either 1) the government is violating people's rights, or 2) they were never rights to begin with. It's a pretty basic either/or here.
Posted on 3/23/20 at 10:42 am to The_Duke
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weren’t those same rights given/established by ——“the government”?
No. Founders held this belief from the Declaration of Independence:
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We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.
Our rights come from God. Government's job is to protect those rights.
Posted on 3/23/20 at 10:42 am to lsu777
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No they don't. Saying they do and going unchallenged is not the same as having the power.
They 100% unequivocally do. There are limits to everything and the government absolutely can limit certain things as required by existent circumstances. To think otherwise is tragically naive and/or simple-minded.
ALL of the current measures have been employed in this country before, to one degree or another.
Posted on 3/23/20 at 10:43 am to Parmen
Anyone arguing against the quarantine should voluntarily contract Coronavirus to prove their point IMO. If you think Coronavirus is such an overreaction, but you admit most people would get it if not quarantined, then please show us rather than tell us it’s an overreaction
Posted on 3/23/20 at 10:44 am to TideCPA
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the government is violating people's rights,
Correct actually. It is an abridgment of your rights. However, there is an allowable threshold for this when the government must restrict those rights in furtherance of its constitutional duties ie safeguarding the general welfare/public health, etc.
Posted on 3/23/20 at 10:44 am to The_Duke
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weren’t those same rights given/established by ——“the government”?
Our education system has gone to shite. Maybe in other places, but not in our system. Those "inalienable" rights are based on natural law and are granted by the creator (however you choose to interpret that, Yahweh, Jehovah, Allah, Zeus, random chance) and are merely codified and protected by the Bill of Rights (as interpreted by the SCOTUS).
Posted on 3/23/20 at 10:44 am to Parmen
quote:You mentioned "what statute are people breaking." Has anyone been charged or accused of breaking a statue by going to Mass?
Where did I mention "arrest" in my OP?
You start the shittiest, most paranoid threads on this board and then all you want to do is word parse when it's pointed out to you.
Grow the frick up.
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