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re: Texas moves one step closer to leaving US

Posted on 12/2/23 at 9:39 am to
Posted by Diamondawg
Mississippi
Member since Oct 2006
38302 posts
Posted on 12/2/23 at 9:39 am to
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This is why the U.S. will use force to stop it.

Who will do the fighting for them?


I don't think fighting per se will be necessary. The US will just dig its heels in their federal buildings, post offices, federally owned lands, walk away from the borders (not that it would matter) using military from the 25 military bases in Texas. Texans in those bases I supposed would be excused as foreigners.
Posted by Elblancodiablo
Member since Sep 2023
1829 posts
Posted on 12/2/23 at 9:41 am to
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What there will be is the leaders being arrested and imprisoned.

That is when the war starts.
Posted by Elblancodiablo
Member since Sep 2023
1829 posts
Posted on 12/2/23 at 9:53 am to
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y'all realize y'all can get the frick out of these united states at any time, right?


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exiledhogfan

It would be easier if we just put your arse out.
Posted by Nonetheless
MAGA
Member since Jan 2012
34406 posts
Posted on 12/2/23 at 9:59 am to
I do think national divorce will happen one day.
Posted by Elblancodiablo
Member since Sep 2023
1829 posts
Posted on 12/2/23 at 10:00 am to
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conservatives respected the constitution and Supreme Court

Life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness
Posted by Born to be a Tiger1
Somewhere lost in Texas
Member since Jan 2018
857 posts
Posted on 12/2/23 at 10:02 am to
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Texas needs to annex Louisiana. Please??



I think if Texas, Louisiana, Oklahoma, Kansas and Arkansas could go out together as one then they would be one of the most productive countries in the world. Arkansas is only needed as a resort area as Colorado and New Mexico are to liberal to be apart of this new nation. Oil/gas, farming/ranching, timber and ports are plentiful. It won't and shouldn't happen but it's nice to know these five states could go it alone. Possibly could add Nebraska and Mississippi as they are good fits as well.
Posted by weptiger
Georgia
Member since Feb 2007
11789 posts
Posted on 12/2/23 at 10:04 am to
Is this country run like the mob with made men preventing Texas from ever leaving the “family?”
Posted by Elblancodiablo
Member since Sep 2023
1829 posts
Posted on 12/2/23 at 10:07 am to
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How much gold does Texas have?
The reason I ask is that once succession happens, Texas will have their own currency. I'm guessing it'll be backed by gold. If that's the case, untangling from the US Federal Govt wouldn't be difficult at all. Mexico would continue buying O&G from Texas. So would other countries in Central and South America. Farming wouldn't be a problem. Water, not a problem.

The problem with imagining the difficulties that would come with succession is due to the slave mentality to the way things are done in the US now. It's hard to imagine not being regulated by a govt that actively works against its citizens in almost every aspect of governance. It would be a blank slate. Texas could do anything they wanted. They could sell bonds to people to finance the govt. They could implement a system without a central bank.

As far as Medicaid and other welfare systems go, why have them? The US flourished for a long time without these programs. Without a central bank, insurance companies, or income tax as well. Texas need look no further than the US prior to 1913 in order to not only survive, but outpace the leftover US.

Would people be pissed off for not getting their Social Security after paying in? Maybe, but there would be no law forbidding people from leaving in order to receive their benefits. There's the door. Founding a nation comes with a price. frick Social Security, WIC, SNAP, and all the other welfare programs. Work, or don't eat. If that sounds like something you don't want to help build, kick rocks and GTFO.

This guy gets it.^^^
Posted by Elblancodiablo
Member since Sep 2023
1829 posts
Posted on 12/2/23 at 10:11 am to
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Florida will be next after the Dems retain power in ‘24.


Too many carpetbaggers for florida to pull it off.
Posted by EKG
Houston, TX
Member since Jun 2010
45272 posts
Posted on 12/2/23 at 10:14 am to
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military bases in Texas

LINK ]What will happen to all of the U.S. military bases after TEXIT? - TEXIT.tnm.me

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The United States maintains nearly 800 military bases in more than 70 countries and territories abroad. No one would argue that those 70 countries are in a political union with the United States due to the presence of a U.S. military base, nor would anyone argue that they should be. The presence of these military bases on foreign soil is solely about shared defense concerns and security interests. It does not imply any further political connection.

After TEXIT, Texas may not share a government with the rest of the United States, but we will still share defense and national security concerns. International military cooperation has been a cornerstone of U.S. defense policy since the Second World War and, while it has been suggested that there should be some reforms, the underlying policy is unlikely to change, especially close to home.

It is, therefore, highly probable that Texas would enter into a mutual defense pact with the United States that includes joint use and operation of existing military bases and facilities in Texas or their full transfer to the Texas Military Department. As a part of any mutual defense pact, Texas will likely have to pledge to spend a set percentage of its GDP on national defense, much like the reforms proposed for NATO. In return, the United States should guarantee the availability of military arms and equipment for tariff-free purchase by manufacturers in the United States and vice versa. Texas should stipulate that the mutual defense pact should only extend to commonly agreed defense concerns.

Any mutual defense pact of this nature could set a transition period where things essentially stay as they are now, operating under a joint command until such time as the already established Texas Military Forces are at full readiness.
This post was edited on 12/2/23 at 10:23 am
Posted by Elblancodiablo
Member since Sep 2023
1829 posts
Posted on 12/2/23 at 10:15 am to
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Texas could reach purchase acquisition agreements for existing infrastructure to repay federal investment and their respective portion of federal debt.


frick that, tell em to eat a bag of dicks.
Posted by nealnan8
Atlanta
Member since Oct 2016
4676 posts
Posted on 12/2/23 at 10:20 am to
The people with real power will never allow this: big industries with deep pockets, who can buy off federal and state politicians.
Posted by thebigmuffaletta
Member since Aug 2017
15708 posts
Posted on 12/2/23 at 10:22 am to
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I wonder how long it would take for another country to invade Texas to gain critical proximity to the US.


You people act like a state like Texas, if they were to secede, wouldn’t field a military.
Posted by Diamondawg
Mississippi
Member since Oct 2006
38302 posts
Posted on 12/2/23 at 10:32 am to
Naïve!
Posted by Elblancodiablo
Member since Sep 2023
1829 posts
Posted on 12/2/23 at 10:35 am to
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using military from the 25 military bases in Texas. Texans in those bases I supposed would be excused as foreigners.

You are assuming that members of the military would violate their oath and take up arms against texas.
Posted by Mo Jeaux
Member since Aug 2008
63537 posts
Posted on 12/2/23 at 10:36 am to
Texas will be blue soon.
Posted by EKG
Houston, TX
Member since Jun 2010
45272 posts
Posted on 12/2/23 at 10:37 am to
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You people act like a state like Texas, if they were to secede, wouldn’t field a military.

LINK ]Texas Military Department

Of every issue raised about TEXIT, national defense is amongst the least problematic.



To those who argue, “But Texas can’t even defend its southern border now!” … that’s because debilitating restraints set forth by the US federal government prevent us from effectively doing so. Point of reference, this insane development hit the news just yesterday: LINK ]Appeals court orders Texas to remove buoy barrier on the Rio Grande border - NBC News

This isn’t immigration, it’s invasion. And we’ve been hung out to dry.



Back to the Texas military ….

LINK ]How will an independent Texas defend itself? - texit.tnm.me
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The bulk of Texas national defense will be concentrated on three key areas: strengthening the borders against national security risks, defense against attack from international state actors, and supporting military actions of allies that are congruent with our strategic objectives.

Using the NATO target average of 2 percent of GDP for military and defense spending would provide approximately $32.78 billion annually, making Texas 11th in the world in defense spending. Funding at this level would cover the costs of recruiting, training, equipping, and maintaining an active duty enlistment in excess of 125,000 troops. This would be in line with the number of Texans currently serving in the United States military in all branches. In addition, it would provide a level of funding to, over time, increase our inventory of military vehicles including naval vessels, fighters and support aircraft, and armored vehicles. Building on the current military infrastructure in the Texas Military Department (TMD), Texas will grow the components of the TMD into a world-class military force capable of addressing any threat to the safety and security of Texas posed by any who would do us harm.
Posted by aggressor
Austin, TX
Member since Sep 2011
9405 posts
Posted on 12/2/23 at 10:38 am to
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Were there no hospitals before the government???

Were there no airports- especially Dallas airports- before TSA??

Not the point. How many VA hospitals are in Texas? How many medical schools have clinical affiliations with VA hospitals? Do you think the federal government is just going to walk away from those gazzilion dollars facilities? How about air traffic control? Does Texas already have in place the software in place that the FAA has spent years developing? Might be out of date or whatever but you might could buy some from Mexico. Air traffic controllers for some of the world's busiest airports? What a 1 year shut down on those airports going to cost the republic? Texas is world famous for the medicine and research. Want to try to match the federal research dollars that pours into Houston, Galveston, Dallas, etc.? US going to grant all of the federal lands and military facilities located there? Whole thing is a pipe dream. But, I will move there under an alias if they can pull it off.


Once again all of that can be negotiated. Texas also has tremendous leverage because of the O&G and food we have along with our strategic location. The US needs Texas at least as much as vice versa.

Texas also has a lot of money and resources and pays more in taxes than they receive back by an increasingly large margin. When you have a lot of money and a highly educated workforce with natural resources you will be just fine.
Posted by Cuz413
Member since Nov 2007
11095 posts
Posted on 12/2/23 at 10:40 am to
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I wonder how long it would take for another country to invade Texas to gain critical proximity to the US


Valid point. Let me think of countries that would just be at the Texas border the next day just waiting to invade it.

History says:
The only country that would invade Texas would be
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the US
Posted by aggressor
Austin, TX
Member since Sep 2011
9405 posts
Posted on 12/2/23 at 10:44 am to
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Texas will be blue soon.


Nope.

The key in Texas is the Hispanic population has been turning more and more Red every cycle. Formerly deep Blue South Texas is Purple and eventually will be Red because fundamentally Hispanics are more conservative here. They work hard and value family and love to have their own businesses. There is also tremendous intermarriage with Hispanics and Whites in Texas.

The plan for the Dems was always centered around thinking "Texas is turning Brown so it will go Blue", that's not happening for them. In some other states Hispanics have different attitudes but not here.

BTW, the strongest border advocates I know are Hispanic Texans.
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