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re: Texas keeps dead body as fetus incubator against family's wishes.

Posted on 1/28/14 at 4:59 pm to
Posted by Vegas Bengal
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Posted on 1/28/14 at 4:59 pm to
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Euthanizing retarded people is likely not a winning position.


Who is taking that position?
Posted by Scoop
RIP Scoop
Member since Sep 2005
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Posted on 1/28/14 at 5:07 pm to
Thank you for bringing a little medical reality to the ridiculous OP.

Like you said, there is no decaying when the lungs are being ventilated and the heart is beating.

She was receiving tissue perfusion just as anyone reading this is at this moment.

Muscle atrophy would be occurring just as it occurs with paraplegics and quads. That's not decay. Paralyzed people are not decaying. They are experiencing the opposite of weight lifting.

Without giving an opinion of the legal and moral issues here, the OP is just dumb from a medical standpoint.
Posted by asurob1
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Member since May 2009
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Posted on 1/28/14 at 5:21 pm to
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Crudity contributes nothing to veracity.


So you are good with the pro-abortion movement when they try to paint it as "pro-choice"?
Posted by NC_Tigah
Make Orwell Fiction Again
Member since Sep 2003
135783 posts
Posted on 1/28/14 at 5:26 pm to
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So you are good with the pro-abortion movement when they try to paint it as "pro-choice"?
rob, the irony is your stated views on abortion, and my personal views are very similar. So either you are trolling these threads, or you are not being honest in descriptions of your personal views.
Posted by NC_Tigah
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Posted on 1/28/14 at 5:27 pm to
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So you are good with the pro-abortion movement when they try to paint it as "pro-choice"?
and FTR "pro-choice" is fine IMO.
Posted by LSUnKaty
Katy, TX
Member since Dec 2008
4805 posts
Posted on 1/28/14 at 5:43 pm to
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Unless the doctors horribly misdiagnosed these patients they are dead & it is grotesque that fetus obssessed whackjobs think it is okay to maintain a corpse to harvest a fetus(against the mother , husband & family's wishes).
I think you do an incredible injustice to the moral and ethical decisions people sometimes unfortunately have to make when you use this kind of rhetoric.

There are certainly no winners in this scenario (as you want to imply) and it seems to be a situation that brings out the worst in people like you.
Posted by sugar71
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Posted on 1/28/14 at 5:55 pm to
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and it seems to be a situation that brings out the worst in people like you.


It absolutely does bring out the worst in me when people want to perform ghoulish Frankenstein type experiments on a corpse to save a fetus (an abnormal one at that).

Guilty.

It's only a difficult situation for twisted people who obssess over a fetus & refuse to accept death.

This post was edited on 1/28/14 at 6:01 pm
Posted by NC_Tigah
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Posted on 1/28/14 at 6:04 pm to
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It absolutely does bring out the worst in me when people want to perform ghoulish Frankenstein type experiments to save a fetus (an abnormal one at that).
No.

Posts that bring out your bigoted, racist, regionalist side bring out much worse in you.
Is it your worst?
Who knows.

But it's plenty bad.
Posted by MrTide33
Member since Nov 2012
4358 posts
Posted on 1/28/14 at 6:12 pm to
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The truth too much for you?

Does it make you feel better to put a PR spin on it.


My term is closer to truth than "harvesting the fetus" is.

It seems to portray the fetus as an organ or sub-human entity.

The fetus is a human life. Instead of letting the fetus die, a doctor can try to keep it alive. They do this by letting it develop until viability and c-section it, just like any premature baby. "Harvesting" does not seem to be the correct term
Posted by VOR
Member since Apr 2009
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Posted on 1/28/14 at 6:30 pm to
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NC_Tigah


Personal favor. Could you just stop the freezing weather at the Carolina border. TIA
Posted by bradwieser
Cornell Fan
Member since May 2008
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Posted on 1/28/14 at 7:10 pm to
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dead body fetus incubato
sounds like a band.
Posted by offshoretrash
Farmerville, La
Member since Aug 2008
10727 posts
Posted on 1/28/14 at 7:49 pm to
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asurob1



You are one screwed up individual. If it was your wife and child you would say oh well better luck next time pull the plug doc. You have no value whatsoever of human life.

A fetus is a baby not a stay dog, I bet you would do anything to save one of them though.

And BTW if I knew the baby was not normal then yeah I would say pull the plug to. I am pro-life but I am also pro-quality of life. That may sound odd to you but I don't give a damn.
This post was edited on 1/28/14 at 7:53 pm
Posted by LSU alum wannabe
Katy, TX
Member since Jan 2004
27592 posts
Posted on 1/28/14 at 8:00 pm to
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The fetus is a human life.


Yes but viability applies. She was only 14 weeks along.

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Instead of letting the fetus die, a doctor can try to keep it alive.


That's a big try from 14 weeks. There are multiple reasons for a miscarriage to take place. Fetus or mothers condition being a couple. I cannot imagine a deceased woman being a good environment for fetal development.

If she were 30 weeks gestation then by all means do what you can for a while. To give the fetus more time. But at 14 weeks to many IMPORTANT milestones of fetal development to reach.

This case was a disaster. And a lot of people let emotion, opinion, and politics take over a subject that really needed little discussion. Especially after an abnormal ultrasound. People here that I think and they think this baby if going to have something like a clubfoot or a heart murmur. But these were PROFOUND abnormalities and at that young of a gestational age it would be ghoulish to keep the fetus to delivery. at that point keeping that fetus alive is EQUAL to keeping an 85 year old with a massive head bleed alive. It can be done, but it doesn't mean you should just because we can.
Posted by asurob1
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Member since May 2009
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Posted on 1/28/14 at 8:02 pm to
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You are one screwed up individual. If it was your wife and child you would say oh well better luck next time pull the plug doc. You have no value whatsoever of human life.


Without question. My wife has a DNR and has told me countless times to not let anyone plug her into any machines. Doesn't matter one iota if she is pregnant. Unlike you, I value her wishes above all else and would see that they are carried out.

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fetus is a baby not a stay dog, I bet you would do anything to save one of them though.


A fetus is a fetus, thus the reason we have a term for it.

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And BTW if I knew the baby was not normal then yeah I would say pull the plug to. I am pro-life but I am also pro-quality of life. That may sound odd to you but I don't give a damn.


I stopped at pro-life. You are anti-abortion at least phrase it correctly.
This post was edited on 1/28/14 at 8:05 pm
Posted by MrTide33
Member since Nov 2012
4358 posts
Posted on 1/28/14 at 8:03 pm to
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LSU alum wannabe


I understand that with this scenario the right decision was to pull the plug. i stated that earlier. My later comments were only to asurob because he was being a hack again. No worries
Posted by asurob1
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Member since May 2009
26971 posts
Posted on 1/28/14 at 8:06 pm to
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I understand that with this scenario the right decision was to pull the plug. i stated that earlier. My later comments were only to asurob because he was being a hack again. No worries


Did you ever get around to sending a check to the father to help with the medical bills you anti-abortion nutjobs helped him rack up?

Posted by Diamondawg
Mississippi
Member since Oct 2006
37212 posts
Posted on 1/28/14 at 8:47 pm to
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My wife has a DNR and has told me countless times to not let anyone plug her into any machines.
You and your wife are dumb. My wife and I have an understanding of what each wants in the way of "rescue" type stuff. We both also understand the difference in "don't plug me into any machines" and reversible vs. non-reversible problems/illnesses.
Posted by SuperSaint
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Member since Sep 2007
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Posted on 1/28/14 at 8:51 pm to
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