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re: Texas health worker tests positive for Ebola
Posted on 10/12/14 at 1:37 pm to Roger Klarvin
Posted on 10/12/14 at 1:37 pm to Roger Klarvin
quote:Let set perspective from a standpoint of actual experience.
Regular floor nurses are largely regarded as useful idiots by most doctors.
Most doctors would regard you as an unuseful idiot for forwarding that assertion.
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Posted on 10/12/14 at 1:41 pm to NC_Tigah
quote:
Does that protocol include an experienced CDC trained observer or equivalent during any patient contact, material disposal, decontamination process, etc.?
You kidding me?
Hell no it doesnt
Posted on 10/12/14 at 1:44 pm to NC_Tigah
quote:
Most doctors would regard you as an unuseful idiot for forwarding that assertion.
Only in the sense that it's poor form to convey, but I have no filter and a low tolerance for incompetence. It's certainly the prevailing option however. Many nurses are incompetent.
To put things in perspective, it is a viable option for young females who want out of the retail industry and have a means of financing the minimal schooling required. It's tough to tell the difference between the person cleaning bedpans and the person who serves me KFC sometimes.
Posted on 10/12/14 at 1:46 pm to NC_Tigah
Essentially, your entire thesis hinges on the competency and ability to follow very specific protocols of hospital nurses. That's why I'm laughing.
The fact that the nurse probably touched herself with a gloved hand completely crushes your fear mongering attempts.
The fact that the nurse probably touched herself with a gloved hand completely crushes your fear mongering attempts.
Posted on 10/12/14 at 1:51 pm to kywildcatfanone
quote:Or it shows that a nurse improperly equipped/removed contaminated gear.
I think this shows that ebola can be contracted via airborne presence. Your CDC continues to lie to you.
Posted on 10/12/14 at 1:52 pm to Roger Klarvin
quote:No.
You kidding me?
quote:At the NIH it does.
Hell no it doesnt
At the CDC it does.
At Emory it did.
Virtually every expert in virology would advocate a buddy system during patient and/or contaminated environment contact in these instances.
It would seem if the "proper" protocol proposed by CDC does not involve the same protective measures actually required at the CDC, then CDC's proposed protocol itself might be the source of the problem.
Posted on 10/12/14 at 1:53 pm to Iosh
quote:likely.
Or it shows that a nurse improperly equipped/removed contaminated gear.
Posted on 10/12/14 at 1:55 pm to Pinecone Repair
quote:
Pfft....Ebola is like,practically impossible to catch and transmit in a developed country...
1 secondary case in a country of 350+million ppl. You can take the biohazard suit off while you sit in your living room
Posted on 10/12/14 at 1:58 pm to Roger Klarvin
quote:Not remotely.
It's certainly the prevailing option however
quote:You've got some real issues Klarvin.
It's tough to tell the difference between the person cleaning bedpans and the person who serves me KFC sometimes.
Not the least of which is an incredibly skewed perspective on medicine.
Posted on 10/12/14 at 2:03 pm to NC_Tigah
Admittedly being a physician has jaded me, no doubt about it.
Posted on 10/12/14 at 2:04 pm to NC_Tigah
In my experience, the nurses are entirely more competent than many doctors. Not to say I want a nurse performing open heart surgery on me, but from an infection standpoint, they are much more diligent in following protocol than Drs who get uppity when you suggest they wash their hands before touching you.
Nurses have the front line intel that docs often overlook. To disparage them here is insulting. Oh, and I'm not a nurse or involved in the medical profession at all.
Nurses have the front line intel that docs often overlook. To disparage them here is insulting. Oh, and I'm not a nurse or involved in the medical profession at all.
Posted on 10/12/14 at 2:07 pm to ghost2most
quote:
Drs who get uppity when you suggest they wash their hands before touching you.
What hospital do you go to?
Posted on 10/12/14 at 2:08 pm to NC_Tigah
quote:
Virtually every expert in virology would advocate a buddy system during patient and/or contaminated environment contact in these instances.
Absolutely, as it should be. That doesn't mean it happens every time.
Posted on 10/12/14 at 2:11 pm to ghost2most
quote:
the nurses are entirely more competent than many doctors
Not when it comes to the actual knowledge required to treat and cure illness.
quote:
Drs who get uppity when you suggest they wash their hands before touching you.
The frick?
I've never once been offended by this.
Posted on 10/12/14 at 2:13 pm to Roger Klarvin
quote:
I've never once been offended by this.
How dare that peon ask you to wash your hands. Who does he think he is?
Posted on 10/12/14 at 2:13 pm to Roger Klarvin
quote:Then find a desk job somewhere.
Admittedly being a physician has jaded me
There is no room in medicine for a nitwit wandering the wards comparing RNs to KFC workers.
Posted on 10/12/14 at 2:27 pm to Roger Klarvin
quote:Let's try this again
Virtually every expert in virology would advocate a buddy system during patient and/or contaminated environment contact in these instances.
Absolutely, as it should be. That doesn't mean it happens every time.
quote:So a buddy system should ""absolutely"" be used. But does CDC Protocol require a buddy system? "Hell no it doesn't."quote:You kidding me?
Does that protocol include an experienced CDC trained observer or equivalent during any patient contact, material disposal, decontamination process, etc.?
Hell no it doesnt
"Hell no it doesn't"? Yet "absolutely...it should"?
And you thought I was kidding you?
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I actually didn't ask the protocol question rhetorically. I've not seen CDC recommendations for an experienced observer during all instances of contact. They may exist, though you say "hell no they don't." Like you, I haven't seen them. But if the protocol recommended by CDC is in fact not a "proper" protocol by CDC's own standards, the Dallas RN may have followed it exactly, and still been a victim of it.
Posted on 10/12/14 at 2:29 pm to NC_Tigah
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There is no room in medicine for a nitwit wandering the wards comparing RNs to KFC workers.
We're talking about LPNs here, not RNs. RNs are, for the most part, very good at what they do. RNs also hold a low opinion of LPNs.
I don't know whether this nurse was an RN or not, but regardless a breach of protocol was almost certainly the cause. RNs aren't immune from mistakes.
This post was edited on 10/12/14 at 2:32 pm
Posted on 10/12/14 at 2:31 pm to NC_Tigah
I have no problem saying the CDC has issues.
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