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re: Texas Can't Secede From the US it't time to set the record straight.
Posted on 8/19/21 at 11:27 am to hawkeye007
Posted on 8/19/21 at 11:27 am to hawkeye007
They should be allowed to leave at anytime.
The feds chose to not secure the border and it deflated construction wages all across Texas.
Even in Florida construction wages have been deflated by illegals.
Not to mention the leeching of the healthcare system.
The feds chose to not secure the border and it deflated construction wages all across Texas.
Even in Florida construction wages have been deflated by illegals.
Not to mention the leeching of the healthcare system.
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Posted on 8/19/21 at 11:27 am to hawkeye007
Secession is one of the most basic and fundamental rights of a free people.
Posted on 8/19/21 at 11:28 am to hawkeye007
People can't rob a bank either.
Posted on 8/19/21 at 11:30 am to hawkeye007
The state of Texas can do whatever the eff it wants. They would prosper as well
Posted on 8/19/21 at 11:32 am to hawkeye007
looks like we have a "hotel California" situation here.
Posted on 8/19/21 at 11:35 am to ATW
Can you imagine how many liberals would leave their shite hole states and flock to Texas?!
Posted on 8/19/21 at 11:35 am to SCLibertarian
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or has been powerless to prevent it
The People are required to take action to protect themselves. The Constitution merely gives them the framework to do so.
Posted on 8/19/21 at 11:35 am to hawkeye007
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“The answer is clear,” Scalia wrote. “If there was any constitutional issue resolved by the Civil War, it is that there is no right to secede. (Hence, in the Pledge of Allegiance, ‘one Nation, indivisible.’)”
The pledge was written by US Army officer from Biddeford Maine.
Why should that bind anyone? It’s the words of one man, and a unionist at that?
What Scalia is arguing is that might makes right though.
Posted on 8/19/21 at 11:39 am to SCLibertarian
yes but alot of people and Texans believe that Texas has the right to secede and no other states do. That is wrong, it's also mentioned on this board alot.
Posted on 8/19/21 at 11:42 am to hawkeye007
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“The answer is clear,” Scalia wrote. “If there was any constitutional issue resolved by the Civil War, it is that there is no right to secede. (Hence, in the Pledge of Allegiance, ‘one Nation, indivisible.’)”
Scalia is wrong.
The Constitution is a contract. No contract is inviolate.
Posted on 8/19/21 at 11:43 am to BigB123
quote:
Scalia’s point is valid that no one state has a special right to secession but if it comes down to secession, the law will not be relevant. It will come down to the social and political will of both sides.
Correct.
The right of self-determination of peoples is recognized by the UN Charter. The U.S. is a signatory to that body of international law and by virtue of its participation in that treaty is also bound to recognition of the right of self-determination of peoples. All of these legal changes occurred about 90 years after the Civil War so clearly the U.S. has changed its legal stance on secession.
In fact, the U.S. has supported self-determination and secession as part of its official foreign policy i.e. Kosovo, Latvia, Lithuania, Estonia (all backed by the U.S.).
Posted on 8/19/21 at 11:45 am to hawkeye007
quote:prove it.
yes but alot of people and Texans believe that Texas has the right to secede and no other states do. That is wrong
Posted on 8/19/21 at 11:46 am to CarRamrod
i did read the link.
Posted on 8/19/21 at 11:56 am to DallasTiger11
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This post was edited on 11/8/23 at 4:40 pm
Posted on 8/19/21 at 11:58 am to hawkeye007
Because everyone in 2021 adheres to the Constitution right?
Posted on 8/19/21 at 12:05 pm to hawkeye007
quote:
there is no right to secede
I think the main point that you are missing is that the government does not give you rights. If anything the government restricts your rights, and in most cases they do that for the greater good and betterment of society. Although that does not always work out. I'm pretty sure the founding fathers, as evident by the 2nd Amendment, would 100% disagree with you, to a man.
It is a god given (inalienable right) to be able to secede from the government when they no longer represent the will of the people. Man has that right to secede in the face of tyranny.
Posted on 8/19/21 at 12:11 pm to hawkeye007
It'd never work anyway. They'd be crippled by the feds nearly instantly.
Ostensibly, all roads in and out of TX would be barricaded. No more interstate travel.
No reason they wouldn't extend that to air travel. So no one in, no one out. No supplies in, no supplies out. Make no mistake - TX is not nearly as independent on the feds as it appears. Being that airlines have to operate under federal aviation guidelines, you could/should expect a prompt executive order restricting US flights from landing in TX as well as TX flights attempting to use a US airport. It wouldn't take long for supply chains to breakdown (even more than they are now).
Then you could kiss any connection to an interstate power/communication grid goodbye, no matter the size. I know much of TX is on their own power grid, but still.
TX is firmly in the middle of the pack in terms of dependence on federal dollars, so when that valve shuts off it's going to sting.
I'm not opposed to the idea of state's rights at all. In fact, I couldn't be more in favor of states having as much sovereignty over themselves as possible. I'm just saying that a federal government motivated to keep TX would be able to do so with very little relative effort or enmity. In addition, and perhaps the saddest commentary of all, is that the lax border policy you see in the south right now is likely not what be applied to a state attempting to break free. I would expect swift and severe punishment for those trying to escape TX, if for no other reason than to make an example of perceived traitors to the feds.
The biggest mistake that comes up in these threads is the assumption that the feds would either let it happen on their own or would be powerless to stop it. Both of those are critical errors in thought.
Ostensibly, all roads in and out of TX would be barricaded. No more interstate travel.
No reason they wouldn't extend that to air travel. So no one in, no one out. No supplies in, no supplies out. Make no mistake - TX is not nearly as independent on the feds as it appears. Being that airlines have to operate under federal aviation guidelines, you could/should expect a prompt executive order restricting US flights from landing in TX as well as TX flights attempting to use a US airport. It wouldn't take long for supply chains to breakdown (even more than they are now).
Then you could kiss any connection to an interstate power/communication grid goodbye, no matter the size. I know much of TX is on their own power grid, but still.
TX is firmly in the middle of the pack in terms of dependence on federal dollars, so when that valve shuts off it's going to sting.
I'm not opposed to the idea of state's rights at all. In fact, I couldn't be more in favor of states having as much sovereignty over themselves as possible. I'm just saying that a federal government motivated to keep TX would be able to do so with very little relative effort or enmity. In addition, and perhaps the saddest commentary of all, is that the lax border policy you see in the south right now is likely not what be applied to a state attempting to break free. I would expect swift and severe punishment for those trying to escape TX, if for no other reason than to make an example of perceived traitors to the feds.
The biggest mistake that comes up in these threads is the assumption that the feds would either let it happen on their own or would be powerless to stop it. Both of those are critical errors in thought.
Posted on 8/19/21 at 12:17 pm to ezride25
quote:THIS. ABSOLUTLY THIS.
You can’t steal an election either.
There needs to be mass inbound punishment of all factions and individuals who stole the election on November 3, 2020 and anyone who supports them.
Posted on 8/19/21 at 12:24 pm to hawkeye007
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If there was any constitutional issue resolved by the Civil War, it is that there is no right to secede.
Scalia is saying “might makes right”. There’s no documentation that says states can’t secede.
If you’re a believer in Scalia’s perspective, then ask yourself if current US leadership has the resolve to go to war with a seceding state. Nah. Especially not when the absence of Texas would give marxists a big voting edge in the remainder of the US.
This post was edited on 8/19/21 at 12:28 pm
Posted on 8/19/21 at 12:27 pm to hawkeye007
Wrong.
And when I’m not walking out the door, I’ll respond.
And when I’m not walking out the door, I’ll respond.
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