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re: Teslas charging at a gas station...
Posted on 4/5/21 at 8:50 pm to Marquesa
Posted on 4/5/21 at 8:50 pm to Marquesa
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Not necessarily true. The existing plants may run closer to 100% capacity 24 hours a day. Electric cars will mostly charge at night, when there is more capacity. And if your car is on a charger, idle in your garage during the day, it's technically possible for the battery in your car to return power to the grid during peak demand, lessening the need for "peaker" plants. Perhaps when there are tens and tens of millions of electric cars on the road, there will be a need for more plants, but oddly enough, it will be to keep up with the demand as they charge at night.
One thing to consider, is that people think of EVs as only consumption devices. That’s incorrect. The vast majority of people don’t need them charged daily, but just having them plugged in would add a shite ton of storage to the grid. How would you like to sell some power back into the grid at a higher rate than you paid for it? Maybe your power goes out and you want to run your fridge for a few hours off your car? Increasing interconnected storage will have many benefits for grid stability.
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Posted on 4/5/21 at 8:51 pm to burke985
Odds are you didn't run down your battery to barely anything during the day. I never understood this argument. It isnt like people never run out of gas
Posted on 4/5/21 at 8:52 pm to auggie
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I don’t want to overstate it, but there’s a moral problem there. You’re shifting pollution from a tailpipe, to a plant somewhere else.
Three card monty. People still fall for it.
Electric cars are not a panacea, but being grossly misinformed and stating that misinformation loudly and proudly.
ICE cars are inefficient, putting only 16% to 25% of the energy they burn to moving the vehicle forward. Electric vehicles are 85% to 90% efficient. It's actually more efficient to have a diesel electric generator to charge an electric car than to run an ICE vehicle on the road.
Posted on 4/5/21 at 8:53 pm to billjamin
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One thing to consider, is that people think of EVs as only consumption devices. That’s incorrect. The vast majority of people don’t need them charged daily, but just having them plugged in would add a shite ton of storage to the grid. How would you like to sell some power back into the grid at a higher rate than you paid for it? Maybe your power goes out and you want to run your fridge for a few hours off your car? Increasing interconnected storage will have many benefits for grid stability.
So you're saying that you charge your battery, and your neighbor can drain your battery watching his TV?
Posted on 4/5/21 at 8:54 pm to BiteMe2020
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So you're saying that you charge your battery, and your neighbor can drain your battery watching his TV?
If you want to sell it to him for a certain price then yes.
Posted on 4/5/21 at 8:55 pm to BiteMe2020
If you want to let your neighbor plug in then yes
Posted on 4/5/21 at 8:55 pm to Marquesa
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ICE cars are inefficient, putting only 16% to 25% of the energy they burn to moving the vehicle forward. Electric vehicles are 85% to 90% efficient. It's actually more efficient to have a diesel electric generator to charge an electric car than to run an ICE vehicle on the road.
Range and MPG all depend on the driver, if your foot is to the floor your range and gas mileage go to shite. The numbers they state is for people who drive mrs daisy.
Posted on 4/5/21 at 8:58 pm to billjamin
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If you want to sell it to him for a certain price then yes.
You can sell the electricity in your Tesla back to the grid operator?
Posted on 4/5/21 at 8:58 pm to burke985
Software updates brought my friend's X to over 350. In ludicrous mode and me zooming through traffic around DC it wasn't far off. Surprised yhe shite out of me
Posted on 4/5/21 at 8:58 pm to burke985
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Range and MPG all depend on the driver, if your foot is to the floor your range and gas mileage go to shite. The numbers they state is for people who drive mrs daisy.
90% vs 25% - that's not going to be made up by your driving habits. Physics is driving this reality bus.
Posted on 4/5/21 at 8:58 pm to BiteMe2020
Not your car but in certain states you can if you have a Tesla Wall
Posted on 4/5/21 at 8:59 pm to jmarto1
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If you want to let your neighbor plug in then yes
What will be coming in the near future, it’s already available at small scale, are platforms to sell that power back into the grid. Not necessarily let someone physically come plug in.
Hers a quick example how storage changes the game.
Some areas have peak pricing for whatever reason. I can profile a storage system to charge during cheap times, isolate the house from the grid when it gets expensive, then dump every extra watt back into the grid at the higher net metering rate right before it goes back to the cheaper rate.
Posted on 4/5/21 at 9:00 pm to jmarto1
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Not your car but in certain states you can if you have a Tesla Wall
There’s really no difference between the powerwall and the ev. Just need a net metering agreement and interconnection. It’s being done on a very small scale but it will increase.
Posted on 4/5/21 at 9:01 pm to billjamin
This is info one can get while researching. With research they will find out how this tech makes perfect sense. Hell, rent a tesla on touro for a day and one can find out it just makes sense
This post was edited on 4/5/21 at 9:05 pm
Posted on 4/5/21 at 9:26 pm to catnip
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No one should ever stop to charge alone past midnight. Sitting ducks and the liberals could care less if you are robbed and killed. I am sure it won't be 1/16th of time that it takes to fill with gas.
I said this on a previous thread re: the electric option. You’re a sitting duck and an easy mark as the perps know you have money because you’re driving a $90,000 vehicle. The charging stations will be the modern equivalent of catalytic converters and a whole black market will thrive on those alone. You have a charging station in your garage you had better bolt that to your foundation and be willing to defend it with your life.
Posted on 4/5/21 at 10:25 pm to dafif
quote:By a couple of hours, do you mean 10-15 minutes?
Do you think that will become the new normal where are you just sit in your car for a couple of hours while your batteries charge that seems stupid to me
Posted on 4/5/21 at 10:27 pm to jmarto1
You're making an assumption that fits suburban lifestyles. City people wouldn't have access to chargers at night. And most renters wouldn't.
Posted on 4/5/21 at 10:27 pm to LoneStar23
quote:it's super easy, what would be hard about it?
It baffles me that this is "the future". I imagine it's hard as hell to plan a long road trip in those
The car tells you exactly where to go. Each stop takes 15 minutes max. If you are on a road trip with young kids, your really aren't saving much time in a gas car compared to a Tesla, unless it's an older Tesla.
Lots of people are just woefully misinformed about Teslas and charging, like the OP thinking it takes a couple of hours to charge.
Posted on 4/5/21 at 10:30 pm to Evolved Simian
quote:This is 100% false.
It takes 40 minutes using a Supercharger to get to 80%
I have a Tesla. If I'm on a road trip , it's 15 minutes max to get to 80%.
This post was edited on 4/5/21 at 10:44 pm
Posted on 4/5/21 at 10:30 pm to dafif
Can’t pull a boat or trailer with a Tesla. Useless to me. Good for city drivers I guess
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