re: Tariffs I urge caution

This ain't the OT.

So what these conversations
the whole one of them have to be taken so seriously



Y'all are so fricking weak this was not even a criticism of Trump

it was at harshest a caution over tariffs
I defended and complimented Trump in this thread and identified what is most likely his plan which other people agree
Based upon the previous administration and his business practices which so many of you love him
bringing that to government the practicality the dealing with foreign nations like corporations because in a very real way that's what this is we're not going to go into hot wars as much as there are economic wars

I'll acknowledge that

I mean thanks for giving me a much bigger payoff than whatever I intended this to be but Jesus Christ y'all are so fricking sensitive about this

When I've been posting predictions about Virginia ,New Mexico Pennsylvania
how the election was trending During the Convention ,,post Trump/Biden debate
how campaigns spend money

all very complimentary of Trump and the Republican campaign where was the reaction then

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You and Slo are both full of yourselves, and full of shite.
But, I repeat myself

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It's a board where people are giving their political opinions
everybody is full of themselves

And I sincerely try to provide a little bit of Education since this is the business I was in my adult life government/politics
on the very conservative side of things in Texas so a little extra

so just maybe I might accidentally provide a bit of information



I realized this is going to go right over your head
But you obviously think I'm over opinionated rude belligerent and assholish yet you engage in the exact same behavior with me
this stupid Sam and Diane between us....i couldn't do it by myself

I'm just goofing and riffing you seem to really take this seriously

Both main candidates are pandering to folks like this.
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I know we aren’t. But that’s the only way a protective tariff wouldn’t be inflationary—is if we can produce domestically at a similar cost basis for high-unskilled labor. Of course we cannot do that. We haven been able to do that for since the 60’s.

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No argument there.

But the labor here, and continuing to come here, is subsidized for these domestic producers at the taxpayers expense IF they haven't moved to where they have come from already.

There is no one-shot solution. Tariffs, if done in a broad sense as both leverage and a traditional tariff as only Trump has shown he will do (success not guaranteed) in conjunction with other multi-faceted cost reducing measures is the only thing that has a chance.

- Maybe payroll tax break if you manufacture here, no matter who you employ.
- Instead of subsidizing thousands of women, gender, and DEI studies at elite schools how about including scholarships to skilled and semi-skilled laborers (e.g. a welder, line worker).
- Maybe close the border and every $1 that went to an illegal kids healthcare gets diverted to the children of a worker at a manufacturer that has been exclusively in the US for 15 years or more.

Tariffs used in the narrow, traditional way y'all fear are indeed exactly what you say they are- very risky and lead to inflation/increased costs for consumers (not really producers).

I remember when Bush II tried to impose at 35% tariff on steel to protect mainly US Steel but the industry as a whole also. It was a disaster. Why? Because it was solely protectionist and solely economic. It was in effect a subsidy for those steel manufactures. And guess what, it allowed them to not modernize, unionize even further, and (primarily) stay inefficient. And the unions immediately threatened to strike without a 20% raise (they got 11%).

If he had combined it with commitments to change their manufacturing process (efficiency) and, here's the kicker, with deals with raw materials supply (drop regs and duties) that were necessary then it may have worked.

- Tariffs shouldn't be used any supplier of raw materials for an industry that had tariffs applied on the finished product. Should never tariff the product and the raw materials simultaneously.
- If you impose tariffs on product A from Country X, then you should give a little and offer to buy B from X (if it is in need). This can be strategized to bring manufacturing here but raw materials at a reduced basis.
- I've been all over the world, everywhere requires you hire a certain number of nationals... we should do the same for foreign manufacturers on US soil, if not- tariffs.
- Foreign manufacturers on US Soil are ok (and I think Trump is saying this); judicious/moderate use of tariffs on very specific industries AFTER providing the basis and signaling our willingness to de-regulate are also ok to encourage this. Plants can be assimilated also.
- Make foreign investors pay extra for the healthcare and education of US workers to get it off the taxpayers.
- If he wants to use tariffs as a threat for reasons other than economics (e.g. Mexico) then frigging go for it. The hand wringing by the Chamber of Commerce Republicans for threats that haven't even been made yet is tiresome 40 something days before an election.

You're good at shite posting and whining

I spend a lot of time here. Go back to the OT if you don't like people responding to you. Or, alternatly, you could not respond to me.

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Tariffs dont need to be forever, but they should be used to effectively change habits because Big Corpo decided a long time ago that it didn't matter who they harmed, as long as they made their product with the best ROI possible. We aren't playing the same game your Grandpa played in 1960.

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Finally someone explains the strategy of tariffs to gain favorable trade policy outcomes that benefit the country as a whole.

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People like SFP and Roger and desk jockeys who havent built or produced anything in their whole life.

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I'm a small business owner, brother. Have been for going on 11 years.

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You cant just be a consumer economy indefinitely. It only works now because the government subsidizes it with make believe money.

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This is not true in any way.

Just because you don't understand the value of things like technology doesn't mean it lacks value. Not all products are tactile.

Yes! Who cares if all of our cell phones explode simultaneously, or the Chinese put spyware on computers used by the US military and intel services, or put poison in food, or sell us sub-standard steel for sky scrapers and bridges? It's cheaper! Let's go, service economy bros!