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Study Finds Increased Incarceration Has Marginal-to-Zero Impact on Crime
Posted on 8/7/18 at 10:57 am
Posted on 8/7/18 at 10:57 am
Believe this or not?
https://eji.org/news/study-finds-increased-incarceration-does-not-reduce-crime
Over the past two decades, 19 states have successfully decreased both imprisonment and crime rates, using crime prevention, alternative-to-incarceration, and community corrections approaches. Vera reports that the state with the largest drop in incarceration rates (New Jersey, with a 37 percent decrease between 2000 and 2015) also saw a 30 percent decrease in crime rates during this period. West Virginia, with the largest increase in incarceration rates (83 percent), experienced a 4 percent increase in crime rates. Indeed, only four states in this period experienced increases in crime rates, and all four also saw increased incarceration rates.
https://eji.org/news/study-finds-increased-incarceration-does-not-reduce-crime
Over the past two decades, 19 states have successfully decreased both imprisonment and crime rates, using crime prevention, alternative-to-incarceration, and community corrections approaches. Vera reports that the state with the largest drop in incarceration rates (New Jersey, with a 37 percent decrease between 2000 and 2015) also saw a 30 percent decrease in crime rates during this period. West Virginia, with the largest increase in incarceration rates (83 percent), experienced a 4 percent increase in crime rates. Indeed, only four states in this period experienced increases in crime rates, and all four also saw increased incarceration rates.
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Posted on 8/7/18 at 11:01 am to Big_Sur
quote:Of course. This has been known in the field for years. I mentioned it in another thread just the other day about New York.
Believe this or not?
I think it's actually likely that prison breeds criminal behavior. We know that the drug trade flourishes in prison. And given just how punitive all aspects of the system are for ex-cons, recidivism is very likely.
Posted on 8/7/18 at 11:01 am to Big_Sur
All I know is that study after study of who's committing the crimes shows that it's a very small percentage of the population who commit most of the crimes. Seems to me that if those people are locked away, then crime should decrease.
You can still do your community policing and other preventative things, but locking up career criminals seems to me to be a no-brainer.
You can still do your community policing and other preventative things, but locking up career criminals seems to me to be a no-brainer.
Posted on 8/7/18 at 11:01 am to mtntiger
quote:Well, crime has decreased dramatically.
then crime should decrease.
Posted on 8/7/18 at 11:01 am to Big Scrub TX
quote:
I think it's actually likely that prison breeds criminal behavior. We know that the drug trade flourishes in prison. And given just how punitive all aspects of the system are for ex-cons, recidivism is very likely.
More proof that our prisons aren't tough enough.
Make them SOB's a true deterrent and you'll start seeing results.
Posted on 8/7/18 at 11:02 am to Big_Sur
The authors of this study should invite convicts into their homes.
Posted on 8/7/18 at 11:02 am to Big_Sur
So in essence, they leave the criminals to take care of other criminals instead of incarceration leaving a vacuum that many criminals try to fill. Makes sense. Looks like that's what they are trying to accomplish in Chicago. Criminals tried to remove 70 other criminals just this past weekend.
Posted on 8/7/18 at 11:05 am to NikolaiJakov
quote:
More proof that our prisons aren't tough enough.
Make them SOB's a true deterrent and you'll start seeing results.
The former Soviet Union had its criminal underground. Smugglers and black marketeers flourish in North Korea. It's easier to crush dissent than it is to eliminate crime.
Posted on 8/7/18 at 11:05 am to Big_Sur
Actually it does. Mass incarceration in the early 90s had a profound affect on vpcrime rates.
Posted on 8/7/18 at 11:06 am to Big_Sur
I could have told you the results of that study the second I clicked on the link and saw the website it came from.
This post was edited on 8/7/18 at 11:07 am
Posted on 8/7/18 at 11:06 am to NikolaiJakov
quote:
More proof that our prisons aren't tough enough. Make them SOB's a true deterrent and you'll start seeing results.
Doubt it. Look across the world at where the toughest prisons are. Countries that don’t exactly have low crime rates. Doesn’t seem to be deterring much.
Posted on 8/7/18 at 11:08 am to Eli Goldfinger
quote:
The authors of this study should invite convicts into their homes.
would that suddenly change empirical evidence?
Posted on 8/7/18 at 11:08 am to RogerTheShrubber
quote:I haven't seen any research supporting this claim.
Actually it does. Mass incarceration in the early 90s had a profound affect on vpcrime rates.
Posted on 8/7/18 at 11:08 am to Big_Sur
Prisons allow too much prisoner interaction which breeds more antisocial behavior.
Prisons should be largely solitary confinement with minimal prisoner interaction.
Prisons should be largely solitary confinement with minimal prisoner interaction.
Posted on 8/7/18 at 11:08 am to Big_Sur
What I would buy is to see recidivism rates for previous offenders who were offered alternative-to-incarceration programs. To me, that is where the true results will be found.
Posted on 8/7/18 at 11:09 am to REG861
quote:No, but the reactionary poster would be able to get his jollies...results be damned.
would that suddenly change empirical evidence?
Posted on 8/7/18 at 11:10 am to Big_Sur
Shoot em. Save money. Big impact on crime.
Posted on 8/7/18 at 11:10 am to Big_Sur
quote:Without knowing the details of the above these statistics are pretty meaningless.
using crime prevention, alternative-to-incarceration, and community corrections approaches
Posted on 8/7/18 at 11:10 am to Zach
quote:Sounds constitutional. I approve.
Shoot em. Save money. Big impact on crime.
Posted on 8/7/18 at 11:26 am to Big Scrub TX
quote:
haven't seen any research supporting this claim.
Then you haven't even looked.
There's no doubt it affected crime rates but the argument is that it had an overall negative affect on society, which I agree with.
This post was edited on 8/7/18 at 11:29 am
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