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re: Study: Deporting Illegal Aliens Saves Americans Billions in Tax Dollars
Posted on 7/13/19 at 3:10 pm to victoire sécurisé
Posted on 7/13/19 at 3:10 pm to victoire sécurisé
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The 60% is rounded. I got it from politifact. But then I found more recent data this is nonpartisan and 100% accurate.
If you divide the In Absentia number by the total, you get the percentage of people who showed up to court after being detained.
For example, 2008 FY 4535 / 25346 = 17.9% no-shows. That’s 82.1% (1 - .179) that DID show.
378 / 2112 yields the same results. For some reason they reported the totals and also the monthly average. Presumably, the justice dept doesn’t think we can divide by 12.
Can you translate this incoherent psychobabble for those of us who like fact and reason?
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Posted on 7/13/19 at 3:12 pm to Circle K Beggar
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Can you translate this incoherent psychobabble for those of us who like fact and reason?
He is misreading a chart put out by the justice department. He is trying to support his numbers, which I respect...but he hasn’t provided any support from what he linked.
Posted on 7/13/19 at 3:12 pm to Circle K Beggar
There is not a finite number of jobs. Immigrants create jobs too.
Non-citizens don’t vote and election fraud doesn’t swing elections.
The emergency room argument is your most valid. Self-entitled and weakly supported, but valid enough.
Immigrants are a net positive. Yes they use resources and there is an upfront cost but ultimately, there is a good return on investment.
Non-citizens don’t vote and election fraud doesn’t swing elections.
The emergency room argument is your most valid. Self-entitled and weakly supported, but valid enough.
Immigrants are a net positive. Yes they use resources and there is an upfront cost but ultimately, there is a good return on investment.
Posted on 7/13/19 at 3:14 pm to victoire sécurisé
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Non-citizens don’t vote and election fraud doesn’t swing elections.
Posted on 7/13/19 at 3:17 pm to victoire sécurisé
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Immigrants are a net positive
Legal ones, yes. My fiancé is an EU citizen and has been living and working in the USA for the last 5 years. She has done everything the CORRECT AND LEGAL way. The amount of red tape and frustration just to even take 1 step forward in the process causes tons of headaches.
But yeah, I'm sure she's the type of immigrant you're referring to and care so much about
This post was edited on 7/13/19 at 3:19 pm
Posted on 7/13/19 at 3:18 pm to victoire sécurisé
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immigrants (illegal and legal)
Why are you trying to lump legal immigrants with Illegal Immigrants?
They are two distinctly different things. Illegal Immigrants use more resources and money than they provide. We aren’t discussing legal immigrants we are discussing Criminal Illegal Immigrants and the huge burden they are on the American taxpayers and it isn’t a net positive. Illegal Immigration isn’t sustainable unless we somehow get more Americans paying income taxes. It’s that simple.
Posted on 7/13/19 at 3:19 pm to victoire sécurisé
I don’t think you understand the idea of per capita
Sure, immigrants create wealth, but they are consuming it too
Immigration’s effect on the economy is NEUTRAL. They raise total output, but increase the denominator as well because they increase the population.
Population increase does not affect per capita gdp. Only productivity per worker does
Sure, immigrants create wealth, but they are consuming it too
Immigration’s effect on the economy is NEUTRAL. They raise total output, but increase the denominator as well because they increase the population.
Population increase does not affect per capita gdp. Only productivity per worker does
Posted on 7/13/19 at 3:27 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
Why is it that a GDP increase must increase the per capita GDP?
An increase in GDP is a net positive, regardless of impact to per capita.
If Gilligan is producing $100 worth of meals every day, Skipper is producing $200 worth of shelter, the island is still better off if Ginger comes along and starts producing $25 worth of sandals, even though the per-capita just went down.
An increase in GDP is a net positive, regardless of impact to per capita.
If Gilligan is producing $100 worth of meals every day, Skipper is producing $200 worth of shelter, the island is still better off if Ginger comes along and starts producing $25 worth of sandals, even though the per-capita just went down.
Posted on 7/13/19 at 3:28 pm to victoire sécurisé
Thanks for the link. I will dig into it.
Posted on 7/13/19 at 3:29 pm to Jack Prenderville
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Why are you trying to lump legal immigrants with Illegal Immigrants?
I’ve already answered this. The overall net is positive. Can’t throw the baby out with the bath water. Sure, there’s consequences, but the overall net is positive.
Posted on 7/13/19 at 3:33 pm to victoire sécurisé
Under such logic China is a much better country to live in than Belgium
GDP is in and of itself a meaningless stat if you don’t know a nation’s population
Even gdp/capita is misleading if the distribution of product is skewed towards the top
GDP is in and of itself a meaningless stat if you don’t know a nation’s population
Even gdp/capita is misleading if the distribution of product is skewed towards the top
Posted on 7/13/19 at 3:40 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
Shouldn’t a country make decisions (mostly) to increase its GDP?
I’m sure Lichtenstein is great, but I think the USA is in a better global position overall.
I’m sure Lichtenstein is great, but I think the USA is in a better global position overall.
Posted on 7/13/19 at 3:49 pm to BBONDS25
I’m pretty sure Politifact used this one.
Between 34 and 44% no-shows for 2014 through q2019. By percentage, UAC (aka kids) don’t show up more often.
So kids have less respect for their court orders. Go figure.
Between 34 and 44% no-shows for 2014 through q2019. By percentage, UAC (aka kids) don’t show up more often.
So kids have less respect for their court orders. Go figure.
Posted on 7/13/19 at 3:51 pm to victoire sécurisé
FWIW, i absolutely disagree with the idea that immigrants lower wage rates
Most studies show no effect on wage rates
One Harvard economist (Borjas?? Maybe) did some studies that found wages were suppressed, but even if said the studies likely are modeling it wrong
Most studies show no effect on wage rates
One Harvard economist (Borjas?? Maybe) did some studies that found wages were suppressed, but even if said the studies likely are modeling it wrong
Posted on 7/13/19 at 4:02 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
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i absolutely disagree with the idea that immigrants lower wage rates
It’s going to sound like I’m arguing just for the sake of argument here, but I actually thought immigration did lower wage rates. But in the long run, real wages would level out as cogs goes down.
I thought it was one of those short-term consequences that came with my suggested policy of “relaxed immigration”
I just felt it was too short-term to sway my opinion for a protectionist labor policy. You could say I’m a little cold-shouldered the the native-born American who needs Border Patrol to protect his job.
Posted on 7/13/19 at 4:15 pm to victoire sécurisé
accept we are talking about illegal aliens not legal immigrants you cant just arbitrarily add numbers to make your arguments
Posted on 7/13/19 at 4:31 pm to ninthward
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you cant just arbitrarily add numbers to make your arguments
I could. But I’m not.
What’s arbitrary about the numbers I’ve used to support my argument?
Posted on 7/13/19 at 4:58 pm to victoire sécurisé
we are talking about illegal aliens
Posted on 7/13/19 at 4:59 pm to victoire sécurisé
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What’s arbitrary about the numbers I’ve used to support my argument?
They're not. You rely on well-constructed info in the study. But Im naturally skeptical of potential bias in all such things. I must admit, I fixated on that footnote with their definition of immigrants and felt a little funny abt it. Aint even gonna lie.
But most in this discussion seem to agree in principle on some key points: asylum process is gimped up, and there needs to be action taken to cause border crossings to occur at official points of entry. That seems positive.
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