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re: Study: All Humanity Comes From One Couple.................... You don't say
Posted on 11/27/18 at 3:06 pm to Yak
Posted on 11/27/18 at 3:06 pm to Yak
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Well I'm pretty sure God wasn't going to wait 13 billion years to finally create Adam and Eve
Time doesn't exist to God. 13 billion years could be 7 days for him.
Posted on 11/27/18 at 3:07 pm to Esquire
quote:Well, that's convenient
Time doesn't exist to God. 13 billion years could be 7 days for him.
Posted on 11/27/18 at 3:10 pm to Yak
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Well I'm pretty sure God wasn't going to wait 13 billion years to finally create Adam and Eve
Why not?
Posted on 11/27/18 at 3:11 pm to Jjdoc
Could also be Noah and his wife, since they claim this happened after a "catastrophic event" almost destroyed humanity.
Posted on 11/27/18 at 3:11 pm to SSpaniel
quote:Well, now that I know 13 billion years is only 7 days to him, yeah, why not I guess.
Why not?
Posted on 11/27/18 at 3:12 pm to Yak
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Well, that's convenient
I mean, its pretty much understood that Genesis wasn't seven literal 24-hour periods, outside of the Young Earthers. Dinosaurs throw that possibility out the window.
Posted on 11/27/18 at 3:14 pm to Esquire
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I mean, its pretty much understood that Genesis wasn't seven literal 24-hour periods, outside of the Young Earthers. Dinosaurs throw that possibility out the window.
I just don't think it matters if it was literally 24 hour periods or not. Whatever 7 days are to God, that's the time He did it in.
Posted on 11/27/18 at 3:17 pm to imjustafatkid
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I just don't think it matters if it was literally 24 hour periods or not. Whatever 7 days are to God, that's the time He did it in.
This. I don't really know why it matters so much so some people.
Posted on 11/27/18 at 3:17 pm to Esquire
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Time doesn't exist to God. 13 billion years could be 7 days for him.
And there in lies the rub, there is no evidence for God. That doesn't mean there isn't one, but it leaves room for people to not believe in one or claim ignorance. Not to mention that the God of the Bible (Less so than Allah) is a nightmare in terms of his definition.
Assuming God: One cannot be an all loving and just deity for having a endless punishment for finite crimes, being a major example of the contradiction of the Christian God. That is not to say he doesn't exist, but requires scriptures to be wrong in that he is all powerful, but not all loving or just. Or it requires that the scriptures are incorrect and the punishments for misbehavior are finite. (in the case of Islamic God, it's worse because Allah made you do it, he might as well have created the wrongdoers in hell to begin with)
Not Assuming God: Religion is control structure or was at the time the best explanation for events beyond human control.
So it comes down to if you can examine the information and maintain faith. Some are more than capable of keeping faith, but making some rejections to man made structures and scriptures become necessary. Some lose faith and I will ask that you neither gain or lose faith based on anything I say.
Posted on 11/27/18 at 3:18 pm to Esquire
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Time doesn't exist to God.
Posted on 11/27/18 at 3:19 pm to SSpaniel
quote:Perhaps it matters because in order to believe such things, people want to know why and how, not just simply believe it because he can do whatever
This. I don't really know why it matters so much so some people.
Posted on 11/27/18 at 3:19 pm to imjustafatkid
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I just don't think it matters if it was literally 24 hour periods or not. Whatever 7 days are to God, that's the time He did it in.
That's what I'm trying to say. I grew up Baptist but probably consider myself more agnostic now. To me, the story in Genesis is the convenient way to explain creation to people of that time period, but it doesn't rule out any scientific theories on the creation of the universe. It's God, he can do whatever he wants however he wants.
Posted on 11/27/18 at 3:19 pm to imjustafatkid
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Could also be Noah and his wife, since they claim this happened after a "catastrophic event" almost destroyed humanity.
He had sons and they had wives that survived the flood as well.
Also the flood occurred, according to the Bible's genological records, around 2400 BC. So the timeline doesnt fit.
This post was edited on 11/27/18 at 3:27 pm
Posted on 11/27/18 at 3:20 pm to Azkiger
And he had the help of the rock monsters.
Posted on 11/27/18 at 3:25 pm to imjustafatkid
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Could also be Noah and his wife, since they claim this happened after a "catastrophic event" almost destroyed humanity.
Except there is no evidence of a mass extinction such as a global flood and according the paper the article is misreading.
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Contemporary sequence data cannot tell whether mitochondrial and Y chromosomes clonality occurred at the same time, i.e., consistent with the extreme bottleneck of a founding pair, or via sorting within a founding population of thousands that was stable for tens of thousands of years [116]. As Kuhn points out unresolvable arguments tend toward rhetoric.
Posted on 11/27/18 at 3:27 pm to AlxTgr
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And he had the help of the rock monsters.
The what?
Posted on 11/27/18 at 3:29 pm to Esquire
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To me, the story in Genesis is the convenient way to explain creation to people of that time period, but it doesn't rule out any scientific theories on the creation of the universe.
That is literally the purpose of religion. Hot take you have there.
Posted on 11/27/18 at 3:30 pm to SSpaniel
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The what?
He is referencing the Russell Crowe film Noah. In that movie, fallen angels came to earth and rocks got stuck to them when they fell. They helped Noah build the ark and got redeemed when they died defending it from a horde of people trying to jump aboard at the start of the flood.
Posted on 11/27/18 at 3:33 pm to SSpaniel
quote:The rock giants/monsters,
The what?

Posted on 11/27/18 at 3:34 pm to Esquire
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In that movie, fallen angels came to earth and rocks got stuck to them when they fell. They helped Noah build the ark and got redeemed when they died defending it from a horde of people trying to jump aboard at the start of the flood.
That didn't come from the KJV. They must have used the Living Bible. That was an abomination... and that's being kind.
Sort of like the James Coburn character in the Noah miniseries that was tooling around the flood on a floating bicycle. Offered to sell Noah some stuff, if memory serves me correctly.
This post was edited on 11/27/18 at 3:38 pm
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