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re: Stop posting the pneumonia drop graph
Posted on 5/5/20 at 11:24 am to Korkstand
Posted on 5/5/20 at 11:24 am to Korkstand
Sure. I just don’t see the harm in a handful of people not understanding a graph.
The graph micro posted was fine. I don’t see a problem with it. I didn’t try to verify numbers of course.
The graph micro posted was fine. I don’t see a problem with it. I didn’t try to verify numbers of course.
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Posted on 5/5/20 at 11:24 am to Microtiger
So how many died in week 25, from the example above. It has to be a fixed number.. your chart shows 1500 during the animation and 3000 + at the end of the animation.. deaths do not continue to increase for that week after the week is over
Posted on 5/5/20 at 11:24 am to Microtiger
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People here will literally latch onto the flimsiest piece of info that supports what they want to be true without doing any further research or fact checking.
So what demographic of the population is being most impacted by this virus? If you know your facts, you know who it is....so if we have a mountain of evidence across the world on who this impacts....why are those folks the ones on lock down while the rest of us can run shite?
Oh I also have one other fact check for you....name me one time in history where ENTIRE healthy populations were quarantined? Just one, should be easy to find since you fact check everything...yet you show no supporting evidence.
Posted on 5/5/20 at 11:25 am to mattloc
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Your antimated chart appears to be deceptively drawn and misleading... For example, week 25 shows approximately 1500 pneumonia deaths... Which magically jump to 3000 to 3500, for week 25, by the end of the year
It's deaths that happened that week, not total deaths. Is that what you're talking about? Otherwise I stared at the graph and have no idea what problem you're talking about.
Posted on 5/5/20 at 11:26 am to Microtiger
Exactly... Deaths from each week will be a fixed number, and will not increase after the week is over, as is occurring in your animation
Posted on 5/5/20 at 11:26 am to mattloc
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So how many died in week 25, from the example above. It has to be a fixed number.. your chart shows 1500 during the animation and 3000 + at the end of the animation.. deaths do not continue to increase for that week after the week is over
I think you are majorly misinterpreting the graph - see my other post. The different colored lines are years, not weeks.
Posted on 5/5/20 at 11:27 am to mattloc
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Exactly... Deaths from each week will be a fixed number, and will not increase after the week is over, as is occurring in your animation
If you mean the small budges, that is late data being added back in time. But u don't see any jumps as huge as you're talking about, including at the 25 week mark.
Posted on 5/5/20 at 11:28 am to Microtiger
Not true... the numbers to the right are years the numbers at the bottom are weeks of the year
Posted on 5/5/20 at 11:28 am to SSpaniel
quote:The second one.
Disinformation in that you don't agree with it or in that it's just flat 180 degrees opposite of what it right information?
A lot of people seem to think that in order to argue for opening back up, they have to twist the facts to make this virus look like less of a problem than it is. That's not true! Covid is a problem, and it's a relatively big one. But it's not big enough to justify a shutdown. We should start at the truth and go from there.
Posted on 5/5/20 at 11:29 am to Microtiger
I am simply using week 25 as an example.. your animation shows approximately 1,500 deaths during that week... But by the end of the year that number increases to 3000 +
Posted on 5/5/20 at 11:30 am to roadGator
quote:But it's not just a handful. It is literally half the population of the US.
Sure. I just don’t see the harm in a handful of people not understanding a graph.
quote:Oh, of course! That's what I'm talking about.
I didn’t try to verify numbers of course.
Posted on 5/5/20 at 11:30 am to honeybadger07
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So what demographic of the population is being most impacted by this virus? If you know your facts, you know who it is....so if we have a mountain of evidence across the world on who this impacts....why are those folks the ones on lock down while the rest of us can run shite?
Oh I also have one other fact check for you....name me one time in history where ENTIRE healthy populations were quarantined? Just one, should be easy to find since you fact check everything...yet you show no supporting evidence.
I didn't say a SINGLE THING ABOUT THE LOCKDOWN.
This is the entire problem, dude. Simply stating a fact that is anything nearly negative about the virus gets thrown in with a liberal political stance, so that simple facts about the virus becomes political. This is the exact force that drives misinformation like what I'm trying to dispel in the OP, because people immediately accept that graph because it agrees with their political position, not facts. They will even argue in support of the misinformation in the face of counter evidence, because they're not supporting fact, they're supporting an idea and a sports team.
You are responding to "Covid is not leading to massively fewer pneumonia deaths" with "EXPLAIN TO ME WHY WE NEED TO SHUT THE WHOLE COUNTRY DOWN, YOU SOFT AND GULLIBLE LIBERAL!"
This post was edited on 5/5/20 at 11:35 am
Posted on 5/5/20 at 11:33 am to mattloc
quote:Yeah, it's a fixed number that is not immediately known. It takes 8+ weeks before the count for a given week is close to complete.
So how many died in week 25, from the example above. It has to be a fixed number
quote:Right, but the counting continues because it takes time. These weekly counts are based on death certs, which do not immediately make their way to the CDC. That is what people don't understand, and that's why these graphs are being used to mislead people.
deaths do not continue to increase for that week after the week is over
Posted on 5/5/20 at 11:34 am to Korkstand
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is literally half the population of the US.
For real?
This post was edited on 5/5/20 at 11:43 am
Posted on 5/5/20 at 11:36 am to mattloc
Yeah, exactly what Kirkstand said. These graphs represent counting that is in progress, so you're not seeing deaths changing in weeks, you're seeing our tallies of those deaths changing. Those people all died that week, but they weren't all counted and in the system at the same time.
Posted on 5/5/20 at 11:37 am to Korkstand
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quote:
deaths do not continue to increase for that week after the week is over
Right, but the counting continues because it takes time. These weekly counts are based on death certs, which do not immediately make their way to the CDC. That is what people don't understand, and that's why these graphs are being used to mislead people.
This would seem to make your precipitous drop graph even MORE encouraging.
Posted on 5/5/20 at 11:37 am to GumboPot
Hey, what exactly is your problem with it? Can you do a little better than a gif meme? Thank you!
Are you implying that the pneumonia deaths have been fraudulently altered for the past four years and that paperwork delays don't exist?
Are you implying that the pneumonia deaths have been fraudulently altered for the past four years and that paperwork delays don't exist?
Posted on 5/5/20 at 11:39 am to Y.A. Tittle
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This would seem to make your precipitous drop graph even MORE encouraging. ?
What? How does that make any sense at all? The drop is not real, that's the whole point of this. It's lagging behind the real numbers.
Posted on 5/5/20 at 11:41 am to Korkstand
Ok. Quickly spot checked the numbers. CDC info on graph seems accurate. What’s the issue?
Posted on 5/5/20 at 11:43 am to Korkstand
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A lot of people seem to think that in order to argue for opening back up, they have to twist the facts to make this virus look like less of a problem than it is. That's not true! Covid is a problem, and it's a relatively big one. But it's not big enough to justify a shutdown. We should start at the truth and go from there.
This is a reasonable position and very close in line to my stance, but because I dared to post actual facts that support the virus being somewhat bad, I'm assumed to be a virus supporting radical liberal. Absolutely ridiculous.
Nobody understands grey area here. They think everyone either thinks (1) the country should open up yesterday and the virus is less bad than the flu, or (2) we should stay in lockdown for another 6 months and the virus kills you by thinking about it. Like you said, there are reasonable fact based positions in between.
Extrapolate that problem to every single discussion here.
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