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re: st.george: we have enough signatures for election.
Posted on 8/25/14 at 5:10 pm to LSURussian
Posted on 8/25/14 at 5:10 pm to LSURussian
quote:
I will get to vote if the petition is certified.
You still haven't answered my questions:
Do you have kids?
Are your kids in public schools?
Are your kids in magnet schools?
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Posted on 8/25/14 at 5:10 pm to LSURussian
quote:
I will get to vote if the petition is certified.
You have told so many "tales" who knows when you are speaking the truth or not?
I don't, and many others here see what I see.
Posted on 8/25/14 at 5:18 pm to doubleb
meh....
You're the guy who admitted he doesn't know who his school board representative is in spite of your claims you want to improve education for your grand kids. So your opinion is pretty meaningless to me.
You're the guy who admitted he doesn't know who his school board representative is in spite of your claims you want to improve education for your grand kids. So your opinion is pretty meaningless to me.
Posted on 8/25/14 at 5:23 pm to LSURussian
quote:
You're the guy who admitted he doesn't know who his school board representative is in spite of your claims you want to improve education for your grand kids. So your opinion is pretty meaningless to me.
... and I didn't think it did, you've been caught ginning up stats to back your BS more than once.
38 million
11% sales tax in SG
Now this BS about SG property taxes doubling
I told you I had just relocated, but you could care less about the facts. You thrive on stuff like that, typos, spelling errors, and all the time you make up stuff like 38 million in sales taxes coming from the Mall of La.
People remember.
Posted on 8/25/14 at 5:30 pm to doubleb
quote:But you usually don't.
People remember.
I've explained why I posted those things and backed them up with a link that was available at the time I posted them.
But you don't remember that, do you?
Posted on 8/25/14 at 6:05 pm to LSURussian
Am I correct in that somehow SG supporters are outraged that property taxes are based on value and thus this means they they pay more property taxes than somebody in north baton rouge? To them, this means that their money is being taken.
If this is true, does this mean that SG will have a fair tax where all property owners pay the same amount of taxes, or will they face the same situation where people with more property will pay more taxes?
What happens when the wealthier parts of SG complain about paying high taxes when compared to the rest of SG? Maybe there should be a City of Centurion and a City of CCLA. Its not fair that people in CCLA have to subsidize the leeches of Shenandoah. Something should be done!
If this is true, does this mean that SG will have a fair tax where all property owners pay the same amount of taxes, or will they face the same situation where people with more property will pay more taxes?
What happens when the wealthier parts of SG complain about paying high taxes when compared to the rest of SG? Maybe there should be a City of Centurion and a City of CCLA. Its not fair that people in CCLA have to subsidize the leeches of Shenandoah. Something should be done!
Posted on 8/25/14 at 6:25 pm to LSURussian
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I've explained why I posted those things and backed them up with a link that was available at the time I posted them
You never linked an article or a source for your infamous 38.1 million sales tax figure.
People remember that.
People also remember you coming on here and telling us SG "idiots" that we were going to have an 11% sales tax too.
I can link those posts you made if you forgot.
And just today you told the world SG property taxes were going to double. Do you need a link for that too?
Posted on 8/25/14 at 6:31 pm to Asgard Device
quote:
Am I correct in that somehow SG supporters are outraged that property taxes are based on value and thus this means they they pay more property taxes than somebody in north baton rouge? To them, this means that their money is being taken. If this is true, does this mean that SG will have a fair tax where all property owners pay the same amount of taxes, or will they face the same situation where people with more property will pay more taxes? What happens when the wealthier parts of SG complain about paying high taxes when compared to the rest of SG? Maybe there should be a City of Centurion and a City of CCLA. Its not fair that people in CCLA have to subsidize the leeches of Shenandoah. Something should be done!
My short answer, no you are not correct.
People in SG are outraged that they do not have good schools for their kids, grandkids, their neighbor's kids and that the taxes we pay for good schools are wasted.
I plan to follow Kip's lead. I want Baton Rouge to be like Austin, Texas. I want East Baton Rouge Parish to mimic Travis Country, Texas.
Yes I want a thriving economy, a downtown with nightlife, great schools, a great university, and a good transportation system.
We can be like Travis County. We can be like Austin, Texas. We can have ISDs.
A Good ISDs, in Zachary, Central, and SG will keep young couples in the parish. Builders will build more homes, developers will put up more retail outlets, the population will grow faster than an anemic 5%.
It's right there for the taking. SG is part of the solution.
Posted on 8/25/14 at 6:33 pm to doubleb
quote:I told you it was in a nola.com article last year where it said that 1/3 of the sales taxes in EBR came from the Bluebonnet retail district, including Perkins Rowe. That's where I got the figure from. Did you forget that?
You never linked an article or a source for your infamous 38.1 million sales tax figure.
quote:And that Bodie Boss Hogg White bill failed in committee so we will never know what it would have done. Did you forget that?
People also remember you coming on here and telling us SG "idiots" that we were going to have an 11% sales tax too.
quote:I linked, in this thread, my analysis from months ago of other Louisiana cities budgets to the St George budget. It shows that even in the SG True Believers' model city of Zachary, expenditures are almost double, per capita, what the SG budget shows. And that was BEFORE the MoL was removed from the SG tax base. So the figures for SG are probably worse now. Did you forget that post in this thread?
And just today you told the world SG property taxes were going to double. Do you need a link for that too?
Just face it....you're very forgetful. And I'm getting tired of having to repeat posts just because you have the memory of a slug.
Posted on 8/25/14 at 6:36 pm to doubleb
quote:And some people in SG are outraged that they might have to pay more than double in property taxes.
People in SG are outraged
See how we both can make generalizations, old man?
Posted on 8/25/14 at 6:52 pm to LSURussian
quote:
I told you it was in a nola.com article last year where it said that 1/3 of the sales taxes in EBR came from the Bluebonnet retail district, including Perkins Rowe. That's where I got the figure from. Did you forget that?
You were challenged several times by several people here and never linked anything. You posted bogus stats and never admitted it even when proof they were wrong was presented here.
quote:
People also remember you coming on here and telling us SG "idiots" that we were going to have an 11% sales tax too. And that Bodie Boss Hogg White bill failed in committee so we will never know what it would have done. Did you forget that?
I didn't forget that, but when people presented copies of the bill you still went on and on about an 11% sales tax. I remember very well, you were FOS.
quote:
I linked, in this thread, my analysis from months ago of other Louisiana cities budgets to the St George budget. It shows that even in the SG True Believers' model city of Zachary, expenditures are almost double, per capita, what the SG budget shows. And that was BEFORE the MoL was removed from the SG tax base. So the figures for SG are probably worse now. Did you forget that post in this thread?
Oh, YOUR analysis says that property taxes will double. Geez are you not full of yourself.
You are very, very wrong.
For one thing you stated property taxes will double. Property taxes are NOT being relied upon to fund the city of SG, sales taxes, permit fees, and other fees are.
The fact is no property taxes are listed in the proposed SG budget, so how are property taxes going to double if SG is formed.
Now if SG gets its own ISD certainly property taxes will be used for the SG schools, but your astute economic analysis is based on the city of SG not an ind. SG school district.
You are mixing apples and oranges any astute observer can see that.
You sir need to get your figures straight and quit trying to snow people here with your BS.
Posted on 8/25/14 at 6:54 pm to doubleb
quote:
We can be like Travis County. We can be like Austin, Texas
Baton Rouge will never be Austin. It doesn't have the demographics. The mouth breathers who will run SG are not exactly the "progressive" types.
Is there a sizable city, parish, or county in the entire country that is 50% black AND has a good public school system? Yep, must be government's fault.
eta: not that this really has anything to do with improving schools.
This post was edited on 8/25/14 at 7:00 pm
Posted on 8/25/14 at 7:07 pm to Asgard Device
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Is there a sizable city, parish, or county in the entire country that is 50% black AND has a good public school system? Yep, must be government's fault.
Govt had nothing to do with destroying public education in EBR
Govt had nothing to do with white flight
Govt had nothing to do with the fine school system we have now
Posted on 8/25/14 at 7:18 pm to Asgard Device
I read the first 7 pages of junk. Some of you make arguments that make little sense. Let me bring the economic impact of the STG incorporation to light.
For the people who currently live in the STG area and put their kids in private school by necessity and not on religious grounds, they will see an increase in their total disposable income.
Secondly, business will relocate to this area due to a better public school system if in fact the school system produces better schools the EBR. This is something all business look at because the want their employees cost of living to be low so they don't have to pay them as much.
Third, an increase in business investment and business will lower the unemployment level and increase the overall tax base. This is what I call the fruitful cycle. Positive incentives and positive actions create further positive actions. There is a limit to this action and reactions however that should not be a concern.
Finally, smaller government can be ran more efficiently and effectively. It can respond to the needs of its people. The people will ultimately decide whether they need to raise taxes. The people will decide how their tax dollars are spent. So young families will move to this area along with businesses. They will decide what kind of climate they would like when it comes to taxes and spending.
It's the big government who is losing a substantial amount of tax dollars who has an issue. They have less money to fight over and more problems to deal with. Ultimately, the people who live in the area and put their kids in the public schools will (middle to lower class) will benefit the most. Unfortunately, the class warfare argument doesn't work for the other side. Racism is only charged because the majority of the area is white. There is no base to these charges and the race gaiters should be negated with economic facts. The poor and middle class benefit the most.
For the people who currently live in the STG area and put their kids in private school by necessity and not on religious grounds, they will see an increase in their total disposable income.
Secondly, business will relocate to this area due to a better public school system if in fact the school system produces better schools the EBR. This is something all business look at because the want their employees cost of living to be low so they don't have to pay them as much.
Third, an increase in business investment and business will lower the unemployment level and increase the overall tax base. This is what I call the fruitful cycle. Positive incentives and positive actions create further positive actions. There is a limit to this action and reactions however that should not be a concern.
Finally, smaller government can be ran more efficiently and effectively. It can respond to the needs of its people. The people will ultimately decide whether they need to raise taxes. The people will decide how their tax dollars are spent. So young families will move to this area along with businesses. They will decide what kind of climate they would like when it comes to taxes and spending.
It's the big government who is losing a substantial amount of tax dollars who has an issue. They have less money to fight over and more problems to deal with. Ultimately, the people who live in the area and put their kids in the public schools will (middle to lower class) will benefit the most. Unfortunately, the class warfare argument doesn't work for the other side. Racism is only charged because the majority of the area is white. There is no base to these charges and the race gaiters should be negated with economic facts. The poor and middle class benefit the most.
Posted on 8/25/14 at 7:34 pm to Beau Tie
quote:
smaller government can be ran more efficiently and effectively. It can respond to the needs of its people. The people will ultimately decide whether they need to raise taxes.
So, it's going to cost more money to be more efficient.
I guess we have different ideas of what "efficient" means.
Posted on 8/25/14 at 7:59 pm to Asgard Device
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So, it's going to cost more money to be more efficient.
You and Russian keep saying that, but to run the city of SG no extra taxes are necessary.
And the same thing applies to operating a new school district later on.
Now if new schools need to be built, a tax increase is possible but that is a capital outlay issue and not an operations issue.
Posted on 8/25/14 at 8:28 pm to Asgard Device
quote:
Is there a sizable city, parish, or county in the entire country that is 50% black AND has a good public school system? Yep, must be government's fault. eta: not that this really has anything to do with improving schools.
It's astounding to me that SG supporters get a pass on the HUGE elephant in the room.
Anybody who brings it up is an "outsider" or a "baiter".
This post was edited on 8/25/14 at 8:30 pm
Posted on 8/25/14 at 8:28 pm to doubleb
quote:
You and Russian keep saying that, but to run the city of SG no extra taxes are necessary.
Posted on 8/25/14 at 8:32 pm to Beau Tie
quote:
Ultimately, the people who live in the area and put their kids in the public schools will (middle to lower class) will benefit the most. Unfortunately, the class warfare argument doesn't work for the other side. Racism is only charged because the majority of the area is white.
And what of the mostly minority kids who get left behind?
Posted on 8/25/14 at 8:38 pm to SirWinston
How are they being left behind?
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