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Posted on 4/30/14 at 2:02 pm to LSURussian
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You are obviously under the mistaken impression that I give a shite about the truth
FIFY
Doc, don't bother with this guy. Whatever his intentions were at the beginning, they have changed.
All he does now is argue like he is part of the solution...it's disgusting to read his comments when all they do is argue with what everyone types. I've been following when possible, and all I see from him is just arguing everything.
I don't live in the area, thank GOD, but just by reading this forum, I want SG to pass because of Russian's posts. Which is ironic, because thinks his posting should bolster support on his stance.
And, he'll take this post as an insult, instead of realizing how bad his postings have become.
He's probably running spell check and grammar programs over this post as we speak so he can argue about that instead of realizing he is played out on the topic.
I'm willing to bet he won't attend any open forums and /or has never been actively involved in the government process or town meetings. He's just a guy with a keyboard and a position on a topic...
Peace
Posted on 4/30/14 at 2:09 pm to GeeOH
quote:How much are you willing to bet on that?
I'm willing to bet he won't attend any open forums and /or has never been actively involved in the government process or town meetings.
Say.....$1,000?
This post was edited on 4/30/14 at 2:12 pm
Posted on 4/30/14 at 2:14 pm to LSURussian
sure
Posted on 4/30/14 at 2:21 pm to GeeOH
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I'm willing to bet he won't attend any open forums and /or has never been actively involved in the government process or town meetings. He's just a guy with a keyboard and a position on a topic...
I guarantee that's the case. Russian has zero credibility in these threads now. He's proven he will lie and misquote to paint a picture that is different from the truth.
Posted on 4/30/14 at 2:35 pm to DR Hops
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All i'm asking you to do is admit when you are wrong
He is NEVER EVER going to admit he's wrong.
Posted on 4/30/14 at 3:25 pm to DR Hops
quote:So explain why you keep stalking me if I have no credibility. It looks like you're about to start crying. Please don't cry.
Russian has zero credibility in these threads now.
Posted on 4/30/14 at 3:32 pm to LSURussian
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So explain why you keep stalking me if I have no credibility. It looks like you're about to start crying. Please don't cry.
And there's the icing on the cake...if you needed to know anything about him, there it is.....
Posted on 4/30/14 at 3:42 pm to GeeOH
He's a joke and a waste of time. I caught him in a bold face lie in the other thread, he will NEVER admit when he's wrong.
Posted on 4/30/14 at 3:43 pm to GeeOH
So now we have:
9+2-2=11
38 million
Withdrawn
9+2-2=11
38 million
Withdrawn
Posted on 4/30/14 at 4:22 pm to LSURussian
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Your post is one of the best posts ever in a St George thread!
PS- I bookmarked it for future use.
thanks!
Posted on 4/30/14 at 4:26 pm to GeeOH
@GeeOH
But why pay more, even a nominal amount if you don't need too. Maybe slightly better fire and police protection, I guess; but the business owners seem to be fine with it.
Different government organizations and different streams of money. I would be fine consolidating the school system into the metro government, btw.
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I will add this, mall prices are not a concern for those who shop there. If you think people won't go because sales tax MAY be 1% higher, you would be wrong...now if a business were to leave the mall that people liked, then they might not go since their favorite store isn't there. I have trouble believing someone will buy something for $100, but decide not to go there if the cost would be $100.10....I bet 80% of the shoppers at the mall can't tell you what the exact sales tax is on purchases without looking at their receipt. So, I am meh on that issue.
But why pay more, even a nominal amount if you don't need too. Maybe slightly better fire and police protection, I guess; but the business owners seem to be fine with it.
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I will say this, if BAton Rouge is getting all of these taxes and they aren't keeping up the school system, especially when those systems have taxes written in as money that should go to them, well then maybe places like SG could handle their situation better on their own...I have no clue.
Different government organizations and different streams of money. I would be fine consolidating the school system into the metro government, btw.
Posted on 4/30/14 at 4:27 pm to LSURussian
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So explain why you keep stalking me if I have no credibility. It looks like you're about to start crying. Please don't cry.
Not stalking. I noticed where you visibly lied and refuse to correct yourself, instead you keep digging yourself deeper. You were given the chance to correct your statement and you kept lying.
I just want the others on here who may have believed you were a credible poster to know that 99% of what you say is completely made up. Explains why you refuse to post links, and when you do, they prove you are a hack.
Posted on 4/30/14 at 4:30 pm to BigJim
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but the business owners seem to be fine with it.
Must be nice to not have bureaucrats trying to stop you from exercising your freedoms, and changing the rules midway through the game.
Again, if SG is no big tax threat to BR, why the repeated attacks? Why not work with SG instead of against?
Posted on 4/30/14 at 4:41 pm to doubleb
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The proposed SG city is a defined area on map consisting of SG and East Side Fire Districts. Both of these districts are legal entities and property taxes are collected in these districts to support fire service.
Furthermore, SG does not include all of the unincorporated areas of EBR Parish. There are other areas that aren't incorporated, one being Towne Centre and large sections north of Central and Zachary as well as Exxon
St. George map
You are right that there are some northern parts of the parish that are not part of st. George. But mostly what they did was take the entire south and east part of the parish that wasn't already in Baton Rouge and say 'let's turn it into a city.' Pretty sure there is even a quote from Rainey to that end explaining why they widened the area.
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Second and most important to me is the main reason for incorporating, it is the means to an ISD. Schools have always been the driving force behind the move.
Incorporation is just dumb. The only way it makes any sense is as a political tool to get an ISD. And that's almost as dumb.
I am sympathetic toward the ISD efforts, but really a whole other thread would be more appropriate to discuss its pros and cons. But I'll summarize my thoughts by saying if you have average school age kids (without any sort of special needs) and you live in St. George you would probably be better off under an ISD. Otherwise you are probably better pushing for other EBR School Reforms to make the whole system better. And I think there are several reforms that could be done that could be both sides 80% happy.
That said, an ISD could be good for economic development/recruiting as it gives people a way to live in BR without risking sending their kids to a crappy school. I do get that. But an ISD isn't the only way to achieve that very laudable goal.
Posted on 4/30/14 at 4:44 pm to moneyg
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The reason why, is because it should have been blatantly obvious that the people of the unincorporated area were unhappy with the allocation of 50M from the parish fund to fund city services.
That has not been 'blatantly obvious'. If the residents in the unincorporated areas had so much issue with the parish budget, where were they when the budget was approved every year? Why aren't their elected metro councilmen voicing opposition? The 2013 budget passed unanimously.
You can't argue that this is only about schools and then bring up issues with the budget over the past however many years. If its everything, schools, budget, representation, etc, then just admit that.
Posted on 4/30/14 at 4:46 pm to BigJim
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Incorporation is just dumb. The only way it makes any sense is as a political tool to get an ISD. And that's almost as dumb.
I am sympathetic toward the ISD efforts, but really a whole other thread would be more appropriate to discuss its pros and cons. But I'll summarize my thoughts by saying if you have average school age kids (without any sort of special needs) and you live in St. George you would probably be better off under an ISD. Otherwise you are probably better pushing for other EBR School Reforms to make the whole system better. And I think there are several reforms that could be done that could be both sides 80% happy.
That said, an ISD could be good for economic development/recruiting as it gives people a way to live in BR without risking sending their kids to a crappy school. I do get that. But an ISD isn't the only way to achieve that very laudable goal.
100% agree with this. I have no issue with a new ISD in St. George but I don't support the creation of a new city in order to do that. Posted on 4/30/14 at 4:47 pm to BigJim
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But why pay more, even a nominal amount if you don't need too. Maybe slightly better fire and police protection, I guess; but the business owners seem to be fine with it.
My point was towards the comment that the mall shops would have to charge more..I have no clue why that would be. I guess it's meant if the SG thing happens, the sales tax at the mall may increase.
So my point was...in reality, who cares? No one, and I mean NO ONE going shopping at the mall would change there mind over an increase in sales tax, even one as big as 1%....
So it would not make people shop Ascension, like was said...
That mall, it's stores, and the surrounding business are not going anywhere.
As to the school point, I have no clue what the answer is, but if SG wants to form an ISD and fund it themselves, why is it a bad thing? The other way sure doesn't seem to be working in EBR or BR!
Posted on 4/30/14 at 5:08 pm to Mickey Goldmill
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That has not been 'blatantly obvious'. If the residents in the unincorporated areas had so much issue with the parish budget, where were they when the budget was approved every year? Why aren't their elected metro councilmen voicing opposition? The 2013 budget passed unanimously.
The fact that it's an issue now, should be proof enough for you that it should have been foreseen.
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You can't argue that this is only about schools and then bring up issues with the budget over the past however many years. If its everything, schools, budget, representation, etc, then just admit that.
It started with schools...and as I've said over and over, if an ISD was somehow magically offered, the incorporation efforts would cease.
Having said that, once incorporation is on the table, all bets are off.
Posted on 4/30/14 at 5:08 pm to GeeOH
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100% agree with this. I have no issue with a new ISD in St. George but I don't support the creation of a new city in order to do that.
Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't the incorporation of St. George a result of the ISD request being denied i.e. this is their trump card? Just curious what other avenues could be taken to create a new school district.
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