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re: Steele relied on claims posted by a random person on CNN website to "verify" dossier

Posted on 3/17/19 at 9:41 pm to
Posted by BBONDS25
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Posted on 3/17/19 at 9:41 pm to
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shite, who and what could they ask for, all they get is what the .likes of Peter Strzok wants them to see.


It’s like he is forgetting the whole reason the woods procedures were put in place. Mueller got lit up in 2001-2002 for shady fisa practices. The procedures were put in place. They weren’t followed here....and Decatur can’t fathom it’s because of shadiness. Nope. Judges would know. Did judges get smarter since 2001? Because those judges back than sure seemed pissed they didn’t know.
This post was edited on 3/17/19 at 9:42 pm
Posted by Jbird
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Member since Oct 2012
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Posted on 3/17/19 at 9:42 pm to
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It’s like he is forgetting the whole reason the woods procedures were put in place. Mueller got lit up in 2001-2002 for shady fisa practices. The procedures were put in place. They weren’t followed here....and Decatur can’t fathom it’s because of shadiness. Nope. Judges would know. Did judges get smarter since 2001? Because those judges back than sure seemed pissed they didn’t know.
He doesn't gaf.
Posted by Decatur
Member since Mar 2007
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Posted on 3/17/19 at 10:04 pm to
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They weren’t followed here...


All indications are that they were followed. The judges had access to pretty much anything they wanted to support a PC determination, including the Woods file. Their satisfaction is what matters. There is nothing here providing any support to a claim that the judges were misled by the FBI. The three renewals by three additional judges should be a hint that that the FBI put together solid packages. It should also tell you that the surveillance yielded foreign intelligence information.

At this point I'm not sure how this differs from a textbook case of how the process should work.
Posted by Bunyan
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Posted on 3/17/19 at 10:05 pm to
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All indications are that they were followed.

All indications?
Posted by BBONDS25
Member since Mar 2008
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Posted on 3/17/19 at 10:06 pm to
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All indications are that they were followed


Not according to Steele and McCabe. They presented unverified allegations as verified. The dossier was unverified. You admitted that. Unverified info is not allowed to be included in the application. The dossier was included. The judges were led to believe it was verified.

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The judges had access to pretty much anything they wanted to support a PC determination, including the Woods file. Their satisfaction is what matters. There is nothing here providing any support to a claim that the judges were misled by the FBI. The three renewals by three additional judges should be a hint that that the FBI put together solid packages. It should also tell you that the surveillance yielded foreign intelligence information.

BS. The woods procedures were put in place because the fbi was being shady. They weren’t followed here. It’s clear as day.


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this point I'm not sure how this differs from a textbook case of how the process should work.

We are going in circles because you can’t handle being wrong. According to the document YOU posted and from Mueller’s own mouth, unverified allegations are not allowed to be in a fisa application. The unverified dossier was included. Case closed.
This post was edited on 3/17/19 at 10:13 pm
Posted by Govt Tide
Member since Nov 2009
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Posted on 3/17/19 at 10:27 pm to
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What I’m wondering is when John oopsimcommie Brennan gets drug back in ? he had to have a deep fist in the arse of this bs!


Wouldn't hold my breath that any of the high level CIA guys will have to testify. Heck, at least one key figure flat out refused to recognize a congressional subpoena issued by the Republican led House Judiciary Committee. He waited it out and then retired before risking losing his job for blowing off a subpoena. Another flat out lied under oath about an unrelated matter involving his department spying on American citizens and got away with it.

The official you mentioned has publically stated more than once that he wasn't aware of the dossier until conveniently after the 2016 election. This despite briefing the Gang of 8 on the various details of the dossier in August of 2016.

In other words, some of the biggest culprits involved in the illicit set up have no shame and don't feel compelled to explain or defend themselves because the MSM won't dare ask them any hard questions.
This post was edited on 3/17/19 at 10:36 pm
Posted by Decatur
Member since Mar 2007
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Posted on 3/17/19 at 10:40 pm to
You may find this helpful.

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The third point, and the crux of McCarthy’s argument, is that the FBI did not properly “verify” the information in the application, which is a technical requirement in a FISA application. McCarthy claims that the FBI was not permitted to rely solely on hearsay information provided by Steele, its source of information, but rather was required to test the credibility of, and reliance on, each sub-source who gave information to Steele. But that is simply not what is required in FISA applications (or criminal wiretap applications), and in particular under the Woods Procedures that govern FISA applications. Under FISA, “verification” simply requires both the FBI and lawyers in the Department of Justice to verify that the facts as set forth in the affidavit are supported by evidence obtained as part of the investigation. That does not mean, however, that the FBI is required, for example, to travel to Russia to interview a sub-source to confirm that the sub-source actually did tell Steele what Steele reported to the FBI. That, of course, almost certainly would not be possible. It is therefore not surprising that McCarthy cites no authority for his assertion that such a step is required.

The reason why hearsay information is permitted in warrant applications is simple: It is hard enough for law enforcement to develop sources who can infiltrate criminal organizations or foreign threats to our national security. If the FBI were required to not only learn of the information from its own sources but also confirm that information with the sub-sources, it would not be able to do its job. Instead, the FBI is legally entitled to rely upon the assertions of a previously credible source, such as Steele, in relaying information from other sub-sources to whom the FBI does not have direct access.


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Posted by BBONDS25
Member since Mar 2008
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Posted on 3/17/19 at 10:45 pm to
Are you saying the fbi wasn’t able to ask Steele if he could verify his sources? Seems like that would be one of the first things they would ask. What a sad excuse for an article you posted. Pathetic really.

Seems like the lawyers in the Steele deposition are better at verification than the fbi. What did Steele say in his deposition when asked that question?

The fact the fbi never asked that simple question works against you. Not in your favor.

Nobody expects the FBI to talk to every Russian Steele said he talked to. But surely they aren’t so incompetent they wouldn’t fail to ask him “hey...is this stuff verified”. “How?”

Good lord. You just argued that the fbi is completely incompetent.
This post was edited on 3/17/19 at 10:50 pm
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