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Posted on 3/17/19 at 8:50 pm to Decatur
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Decatur
Just checking in.
Are you still claiming the Woods Procedures were followed in accordance with FBI procedures and regulations??
Posted on 3/17/19 at 8:51 pm to BBONDS25
No, I would think the FISA verification form is in the Woods file.
Posted on 3/17/19 at 8:51 pm to Decatur
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I’m not seeing a problem here.
That’s because we now know the FBI, in 2016, omitted significant information from the application for the FISA warrant that allowed it to spy on Trump campaign adviser Carter Page in hopes of finding evidence of collusion between Russia and the GOP presidential nominee’s campaign.
Thanks to congressional oversight and declassified documents, we now know the FBI failed to tell the court that the primary evidence it used to support its warrant — the so-called Steele dossier — was political opposition research produced on behalf of and paid for by the Democratic Party and Hillary Clinton’s campaign, in hopes of harming Trump’s election chances.
We know the FBI falsely told the court in the first application warrant that it knew of no derogatory information about the dossier author, Christopher Steele, a retired British intelligence operative who worked simultaneously as an FBI source and a Clinton campaign opposition researcher. In fact, a senior Justice Department official named Bruce Ohr warned the FBI that Steele was desperate to stop Trump from becoming president, and other evidence showed Steele had been leaking to the media in violation of FBI rules — all derogatory evidence weighing against Steele’s credibility.
Further, we’ve learned from congressional testimony of other FBI officials that the dossier’s contents had not been corroborated by the FBI when it was used in the FISA application — even though the Woods Procedures mentioned above required that only corroborated evidence be used in support of a warrant request.
And, finally, we know from sources that the FBI had other evidence suggesting the innocence of two Trump campaign aides it targeted — Page and George Papadopoulos — that wasn’t provided to the court.
Posted on 3/17/19 at 8:55 pm to Decatur
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No, I would think the FISA verification form is in the Woods file.
But you already admitted there wasn’t verification of steele’s Allegations. Apparently in reading the woods requirement, you failed to read the entire thing. First sentence on page 270 of the document YOU linked states:
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Either unverified information must be removed from the fisa application, or the application held until the information can be verified
Was the Steele info, which you already admitted was unverified, removed?
Nope. Ouch...owned first by Mueller and then by your own link...which you didn’t read.
You ready to give up???
This post was edited on 3/17/19 at 8:57 pm
Posted on 3/17/19 at 8:58 pm to BBONDS25
Well that's a mic drop. Time to call it a night, Decatur
Check in with DU and bring us some fresh talking points in the morning.
Check in with DU and bring us some fresh talking points in the morning.
Posted on 3/17/19 at 9:02 pm to BBONDS25
always get a laugh at you thinking you know better than the professionals that do this for a living. Again, they verify that he made the statements he did. It's for the consideration of the judges.
Posted on 3/17/19 at 9:06 pm to Decatur
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always get a laugh at you thinking you know better than the professionals that do this for a living.
Easy there champ! quote:But not the veracity. Nice parsing.
they verify that he made the statements he did
Posted on 3/17/19 at 9:09 pm to Decatur
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always get a laugh at you thinking you know better than the professionals that do this for a living.
How sadly desperate and pathetic your responses have become.
You realize the woods procedures were put in place specifically because the professionals that do this for a living , while bob mueller was fbi director, were caught multiple times giving the courts false information....right??
Your appeal to authority rings hollow. You now no longer want to argue the rules...just assume they were followed. Despite already admitting Steele allegations weren’t verified.
I assume you always side with cops when they make an arrest or kill someone. They are professionals that do it for a living. What a weak argument.
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Again, they verify that he made the statements he did.
That doesn’t meet the standard, then. Thanks for admitting it...finally.
This should make you mad. The system failed us. Why do you support that?
This post was edited on 3/17/19 at 9:11 pm
Posted on 3/17/19 at 9:13 pm to Jbird
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Nice parsing.
It isn’t even parsing. It is a complete whif on what is required to meet the standard. Per the document he linked and from Mueller’s own testimony. Decatur has admitted procedures weren’t followed. He can no longer play word games with the procedures.
He now is forced to appeal to the fact people “do this for a living”. I really am perplexed how someone who seems somewhat intelligent refuses to see what is right in front of him.
This post was edited on 3/17/19 at 9:14 pm
Posted on 3/17/19 at 9:15 pm to BBONDS25
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You now no longer want to argue the rules...just assume they were followed.
No one has shown that they weren't followed. Certainly you haven't shown that.
The rest of your post may as well be gibberish.
Posted on 3/17/19 at 9:16 pm to BBONDS25
The people that do it for a living, the ones with a proven track record of lying to gain FISA warrants, those guys Rexcatur says to trust?
fricking guy is a true hack.
fricking guy is a true hack.
Posted on 3/17/19 at 9:18 pm to Decatur
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No one has shown that they weren't followed. Certainly you haven't shown that.
Never go full Rextard. Posted on 3/17/19 at 9:19 pm to Decatur
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No one has shown that they weren't followed. Certainly you haven't shown that.
Your posts have devolved into a really pathetic place. No more even trying to put up a fight. Sad.
Still...to finish you off:
Steele testifies the dossier wasn’t verified. McCabe said without the dossier there is no warrant. There is a warrant. You have admitted to all three of these facts. You try to connect the dots.
Unverified information was presented to the court. You admitted that. That is a violation of the procedures.
I mean. Good lord.
I’m really stunned how you are so flippant with the violation of a citizens 4th amendment rights. You are really short sighted. I really hope republicans don’t pull this crap on the left. Things will get bad fast. Sad you don’t feel the same.
This post was edited on 3/17/19 at 9:21 pm
Posted on 3/17/19 at 9:20 pm to BBONDS25
quote:Any port in a storm for Rexcatur. Same guy that defended Hillionaire's shitter server.
Sad you don’t feel the same.
Posted on 3/17/19 at 9:32 pm to BBONDS25
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Unverified information was presented to the court. You admitted that. That is a violation of the procedures.
The four judges reviewed the applications (along with the redacted info we have not seen), the Woods file, and pretty much any other documents they wanted and they knew full well that information provided by Steele was provided by other subsources. They had full access to the materials that are generated in this process. They would know if other information supported the Steele statements or if the Steele statements were really all the FBI had to go with. The judges could have asked for more information if they wanted it but it appears that each ultimately was satisfied that probable cause was met. The judges signed off and that's pretty much the end of it right now.
I even recently saw where a retired FISA judge said he would reach the same conclusion knowing everything he knows know.
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Still...to finish you off:
You are hilarious
Posted on 3/17/19 at 9:35 pm to Decatur
quote:No shite, who and what could they ask for, all they get is what the .likes of Peter Strzok wants them to see.
The judges could have asked for more information if they wanted it but it appears that each ultimately was satisfied that probable cause was met.
quote:So fricking what, are you suggesting they read him in?
I even recently saw where a retired FISA judge said he would reach the same conclusion knowing everything he knows know.
Posted on 3/17/19 at 9:35 pm to Decatur
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The four judges reviewed the applications
I don’t know how to say it any slower. The judges were not advised it was unverified. Unverified info is not allowed to be placed in front of the judges. The FBI didn’t follow procedures.
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The judges signed off and that's pretty much the end of it right now.
Oh it’s nowhere near the end of it. You think trump is letting this go? FBI breaking procedure to spy on his campaign. Buckle up buttercup.
I’m starting to believe you are an ends justifies the means type...which is friecking scary. You don’t realize what that means. I regret thinking you had any semblance of intelligence.
This post was edited on 3/17/19 at 9:38 pm
Posted on 3/17/19 at 9:39 pm to Jbird
What I’m wondering is when John oopsimcommie Brennan gets drug back in ? he had to have a deep fist in the arse of this bs!
Posted on 3/17/19 at 9:40 pm to BBONDS25
quote:Starting to figure Rexcatur out?
I’m starting to believe you are an ends justifies the means type
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