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re: Sorry I am not buying it, Obama gate is a planned distraction from Epstein gate
Posted on 7/22/25 at 8:38 pm to Pettifogger
Posted on 7/22/25 at 8:38 pm to Pettifogger
I’m gonna find that clip of Trump from earlier today. Literally this:
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Posted on 7/22/25 at 8:39 pm to 03 West CoChamps
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What if the Epstein stuff was planted before to distract from the Obama stuff?
Nailed it.
Posted on 7/22/25 at 8:39 pm to Pettifogger
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The whole thing just seems like the product of massive frustration and having no paths to a political win, which would be very uncommon for Trump and I could see him reacting like this to getting caught in that scenario.
What is Trump frustrated about? That he is being held accountable for the demands he made about the Epstein files when he wasn’t president?
Seems like the way to get a political win is to release information but it looks like he’s setting Bondi up to take the fall for this shite show.
Posted on 7/22/25 at 8:40 pm to Bunkie7672
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Dude you’re the biggest joke on this board.
Been here a short time and this was like the first thing I noticed.
Posted on 7/22/25 at 8:44 pm to 4cubbies
You guys realize that whatever is released, you will say there is more right?
Posted on 7/22/25 at 8:45 pm to BeesWax
So the safest play is to release nothing?
Posted on 7/22/25 at 8:45 pm to 4cubbies
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What is Trump frustrated about? That he is being held accountable for the demands he made about the Epstein files when he wasn’t president?
Seems like the way to get a political win is to release information but it looks like he’s setting Bondi up to take the fall for this shite show.
Who knows?
What doesn't make sense is the timing, IMO. Trump has been around this story for a decade, perhaps more. He had months to set the stage for a bust on Epstein, and it was the opposite.
I've speculated many times on here that there may not be a lot to release, that can be released. I assume a lot of it is off limits to begin with. I assume other portions of it is facially uneventful but may implicate people (by association, not illegal acts) and the government just releasing information that Epstein visited so and so hedge fund dude on this day for a meeting when there is no indication of any wrongdoing raises concerns for the government, I assume.
I've been an amateur student of the IC my entire life with my career occasionally crossing paths with it, and I have no idea the likelihood of this having IC-implications. But that's the sort of thing I'm considering from the outside - IE, Trump finally being convinced and bullied by the IC about the implications of releasing Epstein material, leaving him unable to satisfy his supporters and unable of explaining why.
Anyway, Trump usually gives himself 5 paths to a claimed win and I don't think he has it here, and I think it's got him steaming.
Posted on 7/22/25 at 8:47 pm to Pettifogger
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Trump finally being convinced and bullied by the IC about the implications of releasing Epstein material
Don’t discount Bibi being in town to celebrate Iran around the time Trump did the 180.
Posted on 7/22/25 at 8:47 pm to 4cubbies
It just doesn’t accomplish anything so yea it probably is
Posted on 7/22/25 at 8:48 pm to TutHillTiger
If you aren’t buying it then there is definitely something nefarious going on!!
Posted on 7/22/25 at 8:50 pm to boosiebadazz
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Don’t discount Bibi being in town to celebrate Iran around the time Trump did the 180.
Yeah, I'm not wholesale in on any of the Israeli/US intel theories, but that would be an obvious situation to fall into the "unable to do anything and unable to give a compelling explanation why" bucket that seems like the type of thing that would cause Trump to lash out.
Posted on 7/22/25 at 8:52 pm to Stidham8
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Obamagate is the biggest scandal in the last 100 years.
Posted on 7/22/25 at 8:53 pm to TutHillTiger
You’re fricking retarded. This Obama shite has been building for almost a decade. I repeat you’re fricking retarded
Posted on 7/22/25 at 8:54 pm to Pettifogger
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I've speculated many times on here that there may not be a lot to release, that can be released. I assume a lot of it is off limits to begin with. I assume other portions of it is facially uneventful but may implicate people (by association, not illegal acts) and the government just releasing information that Epstein visited so and so hedge fund dude on this day for a meeting when there is no indication of any wrongdoing raises concerns for the government, I assume.
I bet there are plenty of unpalatable “associations” in those files. I think he was depending on Biden to fabricate a cover story to placate the masses.But Biden’s people were too preoccupied with trying to make Biden appear to have a working brain.
quote:I can buy this.
Trump finally being convinced and bullied by the IC about the implications of releasing Epstein material, leaving him unable to satisfy his supporters and unable of explaining why.
quote:I think he’s generally insanely lucky and will claim a victory regardless of the outcome.
Trump usually gives himself 5 paths to a claimed win and I don't think he has it here, and I think it's got him steaming.
Posted on 7/22/25 at 8:54 pm to Pettifogger
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Yeah, I'm not wholesale in on any of the Israeli/US intel theories, but that would be an obvious situation to fall into the "unable to do anything and unable to give a compelling explanation why" bucket that seems like the type of thing that would cause Trump to lash out.
And I wouldn’t put it past our own agencies to let the Israelis run Epstein the op but use it when they need it, i.e. who do you have when we need it.
Similar to us using them as the front-line attack dog in the Middle East
This post was edited on 7/22/25 at 8:56 pm
Posted on 7/22/25 at 8:58 pm to 4cubbies
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I think he’s generally insanely lucky and will claim a victory regardless of the outcome.
I don't think it's luck so much as how he sets up the game. He has a very loyal base that is malleable, he's largely non-ideological, and he's something of a pragmatist. That allows him to take on major issues and create 3-4 tolerable outcomes, sell each of them at various points (admittedly trashing them at points too) and then celebrate whichever one comes closest.
That's not the same as straight up winning all the time, but it's not luck either, IMO. He's good at it and it takes chops to be able to do it. But, I did say "a claimed win."
Posted on 7/22/25 at 8:58 pm to Pettifogger
I have similar thoughts and SFP has probably been right all along. The influencers gassed up that Epstein was running a massive child rape boycott ring (possibly for Mossad) and the truth is the situation is just not that bad -- although Epstein did some sick stuff grooming teen girls for himself and probably did blackmail some people on his own. This was my takeaway from the Tucker/Darryl Cooper and Mike Benz/Viva Frei podcasts:
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I'll say this. I don't think Epstein ran a honeypot blackmail op for Mossad. I don't think he was actual Mossad or CIA. What Darryl Cooper and Benz paint a picture of is he is basically a freelance guy that does deals that governments and intel agencies approve of. So, he gets protection. That's how he got off easy in the first federal cases. If he videotaped and blackmailed people, he did that on his own. A guy like WJC is why you can't just publish a list. WJC was traveling with Epstein because likely because of deals Epstein was doing for things like the Clinton Initiative. I really like Benz's approach to try to force governments to produce material in response to the data points that are out there.
Posted on 7/22/25 at 9:01 pm to Bunk Moreland
Yea I mean anyone ever think they haven’t been released to protect victims and we don’t actually deserve to know anything?
Posted on 7/22/25 at 9:05 pm to Bunk Moreland
I haven't listened to it but I'm sure that's closer to the mark.
I think most of the public accepts how many domestic law enforcement informants work (ie, actual criminals or adjacent-to-criminals who aren't day-to-day managed by law enforcement, loyal to them or employed by them but who play ball to get by, gain advantage, etc.).
I don't think most people think that way or extend that concept to larger scale federal law enforcement operations or the intelligence community, and they really should.
I think most of the public accepts how many domestic law enforcement informants work (ie, actual criminals or adjacent-to-criminals who aren't day-to-day managed by law enforcement, loyal to them or employed by them but who play ball to get by, gain advantage, etc.).
I don't think most people think that way or extend that concept to larger scale federal law enforcement operations or the intelligence community, and they really should.
Posted on 7/22/25 at 9:09 pm to Pettifogger
Idk how old you are but I think you’re around my age. Do you remember when W was running for president and after he was first elected- everyone was talking about how relatable he was? Like he’s one of us. Someone you could have a beer with.
Trump appeals to the angry internet troll in the modern American. He’s one of us but in darker times. He has made some reasonable points and decisions but I do believe his ego takes priority over logic or reason. He can’t handle being questioned or criticized. He lashes out, even at his own supporters. He can be very charming, but he’s a run of the mill narcissist at the end of the day.
I think he’s lucky moreso than a mastermind strategist.
Trump appeals to the angry internet troll in the modern American. He’s one of us but in darker times. He has made some reasonable points and decisions but I do believe his ego takes priority over logic or reason. He can’t handle being questioned or criticized. He lashes out, even at his own supporters. He can be very charming, but he’s a run of the mill narcissist at the end of the day.
I think he’s lucky moreso than a mastermind strategist.
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