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Someone explain the reasoning on how a background check would stop the Atlanta shooter?
Posted on 3/24/21 at 9:40 am
Posted on 3/24/21 at 9:40 am
I was reading Steve Kerr's comments about how the Atlanta shooter bought a gun without a background check. I assume a private sale of some kind.
But did he have any kind of a record that would have prevented him from buying one with a background check say had he gone to Academy or something? They found the guy almost immediately so it wasn't like they had an untraceable murder weapon and no suspect. Why would expanding background checks have helped stop that guy?
But did he have any kind of a record that would have prevented him from buying one with a background check say had he gone to Academy or something? They found the guy almost immediately so it wasn't like they had an untraceable murder weapon and no suspect. Why would expanding background checks have helped stop that guy?
This post was edited on 3/24/21 at 9:41 am
Posted on 3/24/21 at 9:45 am to jlovel7
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I was reading Steve Kerr’s comments
All these people claiming more background checks are ignorant fools. The FBI is who needs to be held accountable because apparently everytime a psycho shoots a place up they’d been on the FBI’s “list” the whole time. What’s the point of more background checks if the FBI doesn’t do their job?
This post was edited on 3/24/21 at 9:47 am
Posted on 3/24/21 at 9:52 am to Frac the world
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What’s the point of more background checks if the FBI doesn’t do their job?
Posted on 3/24/21 at 9:55 am to jlovel7
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I was reading Steve Kerr's comments about how the Atlanta shooter bought a gun without a background check. I assume a private sale of some kind.
He passed a background check. Steve Kerr is a moron.
Posted on 3/24/21 at 9:57 am to jlovel7
If the dude had a record or was treated for mental illness and if the reporting agencies and/or mental Heath providers actually entered the information into NICS in a timely manner it would have been stopped.
Otherwise the check is useless.
Otherwise the check is useless.
Posted on 3/24/21 at 10:01 am to jlovel7
It would make libs feel better.
Posted on 3/24/21 at 10:02 am to jlovel7
quote:
Someone explain the reasoning on how a background check would stop the Atlanta shooter?
You want someone to explain how someone who is breaking the law would be impeded by the existence of a law?
Posted on 3/24/21 at 10:03 am to jlovel7
The FBI had a much better chance to do something to prevent this than any gun law. This has been the same for many mass shootings.
Posted on 3/24/21 at 10:04 am to Big EZ Tiger
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This has been the same for many mass shootings.
Bingo...
Posted on 3/24/21 at 10:05 am to The Maj
Wonder if these kids passed their background check?
Posted on 3/24/21 at 10:06 am to jlovel7
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Someone explain the reasoning on how a background check would stop ANY shooter?
FIFY
Posted on 3/24/21 at 10:12 am to jlovel7
Better yet would a lack of guns prevent him from killing if killing is what he wanted to do?
That answer is no as well. Lack of guns is just lack of ability to defend oneself and ones family, especially from superior numbers.
That answer is no as well. Lack of guns is just lack of ability to defend oneself and ones family, especially from superior numbers.
Posted on 3/24/21 at 10:21 am to jlovel7
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Someone explain the reasoning on how a background check would stop the Atlanta shooter? by jlovel7
Well, he passed a background check.
also, What is the statistical data showing the amount of gun stores running background checks (per day/per month/per year) and how many are declined to make the sell?
I'd bet most sociopaths planning a mass murder, don't go to the local gun store and fill out a form for a background check...Does that stop some from doing it and passing, no. It's not a perfect system and never will be.
Cocaine, Heroine, Meth etc. are all outlawed...yet, all can be found in any town on any corner. But that doesn't help their narrative
Posted on 3/24/21 at 10:23 am to jlovel7
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Someone explain the reasoning on how a background check would stop the Atlanta shooter?
None of this is to prevent gun deaths. It is to remove the Constitutionally protected right to bear arms from law abiding citizens.
As soon as you stop trying to reason yourself into understanding the "logic" of some of these proposals, it's pretty easy to see.
Posted on 3/24/21 at 10:27 am to jlovel7
Notes on the last Federal Assault Weapons Ban success:
A 2017 review found that the ban did not have a significant effect on firearm homicides.[28]
A 2014 study found no impacts on homicide rates with an assault weapon ban.[29] A 2014 book published by Oxford University Press noted that "There is no compelling evidence that [the ban] saved lives."[30][31]
A 2013 study showed that the expiration of the FAWB in 2004 "led to immediate violence increases within areas of Mexico located close to American states where sales of assault weapons became legal. The estimated effects are sizable... the additional homicides stemming from the FAWB expiration represent 21% of all homicides in these municipalities during 2005 and 2006."[32]
In 2013, Christopher S. Koper, a criminology scholar, reviewed the literature on the ban's effects and concluded that its effects on crimes committed with assault weapons were mixed due to its various loopholes. He stated that the ban did not seem to affect gun crime rates, and suggested that it might have been able to reduce shootings if it had been renewed in 2004.[33]
In 2004, a research report commissioned by the National Institute of Justice found that if the ban was renewed, the effects on gun violence would likely be small and perhaps too small for reliable measurement, because rifles in general, including rifles referred to as "assault rifles" or "assault weapons," are rarely used in gun crimes. That study, by the Jerry Lee Center of Criminology, University of Pennsylvania, found no significant evidence that either the assault weapons ban or the ban on magazines holding more than 10 rounds had reduced gun murders. The report found that the share of gun crimes involving assault weapons had declined by 17 to 72 percent in the studied localities. The authors reported that "there has been no discernible reduction in the lethality and injuriousness of gun violence, based on indicators like the percentage of gun crimes resulting in death or the share of gunfire incidents resulting in injury." The report also concluded that it was "premature to make definitive assessments of the ban's impact on gun crime," since millions of assault weapons and large-capacity magazines manufactured prior to the ban had been exempted and would thus be in circulation for years following the ban's implementation.[34]
In 2003, the Task Force on Community Preventive Services, an independent, non-federal task force, examined an assortment of firearms laws, including the AWB, and found "insufficient evidence to determine the effectiveness of any of the firearms laws reviewed for preventing violence."[35] A review of firearms research from 2001 by the National Research Council "did not reveal any clear impacts on gun violence outcomes." The committee noted that guns were relatively rarely used criminally before the ban and that its maximum potential effect on gun violence outcomes would likely be very small.[36]
In relation to a 2001 study the National Research Council in 2005, stated "evaluation of the short-term effects of the 1994 federal assault weapons ban did not reveal any clear impacts on gun violence outcomes."[37]
Research published by John Lott in 1998 found no impact of these bans on violent crime rates.[38] Koper, Woods, and Roth studies focus on gun murders, while Lott's look at murder, rape, robbery, and aggravated assaults.[38] Unlike their work, Lott's research accounted for state assault weapon bans and twelve other different types of gun control laws.[38]
WIKI
A 2017 review found that the ban did not have a significant effect on firearm homicides.[28]
A 2014 study found no impacts on homicide rates with an assault weapon ban.[29] A 2014 book published by Oxford University Press noted that "There is no compelling evidence that [the ban] saved lives."[30][31]
A 2013 study showed that the expiration of the FAWB in 2004 "led to immediate violence increases within areas of Mexico located close to American states where sales of assault weapons became legal. The estimated effects are sizable... the additional homicides stemming from the FAWB expiration represent 21% of all homicides in these municipalities during 2005 and 2006."[32]
In 2013, Christopher S. Koper, a criminology scholar, reviewed the literature on the ban's effects and concluded that its effects on crimes committed with assault weapons were mixed due to its various loopholes. He stated that the ban did not seem to affect gun crime rates, and suggested that it might have been able to reduce shootings if it had been renewed in 2004.[33]
In 2004, a research report commissioned by the National Institute of Justice found that if the ban was renewed, the effects on gun violence would likely be small and perhaps too small for reliable measurement, because rifles in general, including rifles referred to as "assault rifles" or "assault weapons," are rarely used in gun crimes. That study, by the Jerry Lee Center of Criminology, University of Pennsylvania, found no significant evidence that either the assault weapons ban or the ban on magazines holding more than 10 rounds had reduced gun murders. The report found that the share of gun crimes involving assault weapons had declined by 17 to 72 percent in the studied localities. The authors reported that "there has been no discernible reduction in the lethality and injuriousness of gun violence, based on indicators like the percentage of gun crimes resulting in death or the share of gunfire incidents resulting in injury." The report also concluded that it was "premature to make definitive assessments of the ban's impact on gun crime," since millions of assault weapons and large-capacity magazines manufactured prior to the ban had been exempted and would thus be in circulation for years following the ban's implementation.[34]
In 2003, the Task Force on Community Preventive Services, an independent, non-federal task force, examined an assortment of firearms laws, including the AWB, and found "insufficient evidence to determine the effectiveness of any of the firearms laws reviewed for preventing violence."[35] A review of firearms research from 2001 by the National Research Council "did not reveal any clear impacts on gun violence outcomes." The committee noted that guns were relatively rarely used criminally before the ban and that its maximum potential effect on gun violence outcomes would likely be very small.[36]
In relation to a 2001 study the National Research Council in 2005, stated "evaluation of the short-term effects of the 1994 federal assault weapons ban did not reveal any clear impacts on gun violence outcomes."[37]
Research published by John Lott in 1998 found no impact of these bans on violent crime rates.[38] Koper, Woods, and Roth studies focus on gun murders, while Lott's look at murder, rape, robbery, and aggravated assaults.[38] Unlike their work, Lott's research accounted for state assault weapon bans and twelve other different types of gun control laws.[38]
WIKI
This post was edited on 3/24/21 at 10:28 am
Posted on 3/24/21 at 10:27 am to jlovel7
Everyone has to start somewhere. So, if he's a first time killer, or still in the process of killing and hasn't been caught, what good is a background check?
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