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re: So what do we do about the oil and gas industry, set price?

Posted on 4/1/20 at 10:38 am to
Posted by back9Tiger
Mandeville, LA.
Member since Nov 2005
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Posted on 4/1/20 at 10:38 am to
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You are dangerous people and should leave this country if you want such a government. Go to somewhere like Cuba where they already have the top down dictator approach to their economy that you advocate for.


Yet you get on you moral soap box every day and defend the Communist Chinese tooth and nail. What is your real motives? getting paid by the Chicoms for work?
Posted by Gtmodawg
PNW
Member since Dec 2019
4580 posts
Posted on 4/1/20 at 10:38 am to
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You forgot the most important item. Truck nutz.


Gots to have the truck nutz and you gotta get the flow master tuned just right so everyone can hear your Cummins or Powerstroke fifteen miles away!!!

On that note I was in SE New Mexico during the last bust....seriously, if you have some cash campers, trucks, UTVs will be a BARGAIN in a month....pennies on the dollar in some cases.
Posted by Boring
Member since Feb 2019
3792 posts
Posted on 4/1/20 at 10:45 am to
For everyone saying, "let capitalism sort it out" (which I don't necessarily disagree with), that's difficult to do when not all actors are playing by the same rules.

This business is quite global, for better or worse. Unfortunately, some of the players formed a cartel and fixed the game...sometimes in their favor, sometimes (unintentionally) not in their favor. It's hard to play ball on a slanted playing field. I think what O&G people are advocating out of frustration is, "hey everyone else is rigging the game, why not do a little rigging of our own?"
This post was edited on 4/1/20 at 10:46 am
Posted by I B Freeman
Member since Oct 2009
27843 posts
Posted on 4/1/20 at 10:46 am to
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you moral soap box every day and defend the Communist Chinese tooth and nail.


Point to one example of that. Just one.

You cant do it.

You confuse standing for the freedom of Americans with defending China. You have no reading comprehension skills if you think me a defender of communist. I will post facts you do not like when someone posts idiotic statements like "lets cancel our debt to China" or "lets go to war with China" or "lets end trade with China". Those are not defenses of China. They are simply truths.

One thing is for certain--China today is MUCH more capitalist than most countries.
This post was edited on 4/1/20 at 10:52 am
Posted by I B Freeman
Member since Oct 2009
27843 posts
Posted on 4/1/20 at 10:50 am to
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that's difficult to do when not all actors are playing by the same rules.



Nobody EVER plays by the same rules and they should not be expected too.

If the friggin Saudis and Russians want to sell $10 oil we should buy all we can. They cant produce it for that and we cant either. Lets save our reserves till latter.

BTW I understand 2000 wells were P&A in March in the Permian. We can adjust supply rather quickly. It may take us a year to pull down the existing inventory but should the world economy return to December levels this summer there is no way oil will stay this cheap.

Posted by Boring
Member since Feb 2019
3792 posts
Posted on 4/1/20 at 11:01 am to
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Nobody EVER plays by the same rules and they should not be expected too.


This is a completely fair point.

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I understand 2000 wells were P&A in March in the Permian. We can adjust supply rather quickly.


I need to go look at plug filings when I'm not swamped, but this wouldn't surprise me at all. One thing that people are overlooking or don't know is that quite a few companies were cutting back on projects and laying down rigs back in mid 2019. API and EIA reports do tend to lag somewhat (heck, they're about as reliable as Coronavirus data!), so I'm curious if that supply overhang doesn't start falling off a bit earlier than people anticipate and then grows to a huge swell.
Posted by lostinbr
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Oct 2017
9345 posts
Posted on 4/1/20 at 11:41 am to
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He represents Texas oil at the moment (maybe not officially, but certainly in a de facto manner). And politicians will make these decisions, not well-meaning but naive engineers.

It could cost hundreds of billions of dollars just to carry out the projects necessary to maintain our gasoline and diesel supply on nothing but light, sweet American crude.

The cost of refined products would increase dramatically, causing us to lose our position as a net exporter of gasoline, jet fuel, and diesel.

By the way, 60% of our crude oil imports come from Canada. That’s 40x more than Russia, 10x more than Saudi Arabia, and 4x more than all of OPEC combined.

It. Will. Never. Happen.
Posted by Gaspergou202
Metairie, LA
Member since Jun 2016
13495 posts
Posted on 4/1/20 at 11:48 am to
Just have the U.S. Government purchase American produced oil at survival prices as a National Strategic Response. The oil producers will be able to survive to ramp up production when needed.

Meanwhile, our economy will enjoy the fruits of low energy costs and rebound. We boom spending fuel money elsewhere, and Putin’s bad acting Russia will be unable to afford bad acting.
Posted by Oilfieldbiology
Member since Nov 2016
37491 posts
Posted on 4/1/20 at 11:54 am to
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China today is MUCH more capitalist than most countries.


How? The government runs and controls every company
Posted by I B Freeman
Member since Oct 2009
27843 posts
Posted on 4/1/20 at 12:07 pm to
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So what do we do about the oil and gas industry, set price?
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China today is MUCH more capitalist than most countries.


How? The government runs and controls every company


That is not true at all.
Posted by Oilfieldbiology
Member since Nov 2016
37491 posts
Posted on 4/1/20 at 12:12 pm to
Sorry. Not every company. Every company based in China that does international or national business.
Posted by I B Freeman
Member since Oct 2009
27843 posts
Posted on 4/1/20 at 12:15 pm to
That is not true either.

Not even close to true.

You might find this link interesting. LINK
This post was edited on 4/1/20 at 12:17 pm
Posted by I B Freeman
Member since Oct 2009
27843 posts
Posted on 4/1/20 at 12:25 pm to
And this one--again just facts---not defending China just correcting misconceptions many here have

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A working paper from the World Economic Forum stated that “China’s private sector - which has been revving up since the global financial crisis - is now serving as the main driver of China’s economic growth. The combination of numbers 60/70/80/90 are frequently used to describe the private sector’s contribution to the Chinese economy: they contribute 60% of China’s GDP, and are responsible for 70% of innovation, 80% of urban employment and provide 90% of new jobs. Private wealth is also responsible for 70% of investment and 90% of exports.” Today, China’s private sector contributes nearly two-thirds of the country’s growth and nine-tenths of new jobs, according to the All-China Federation of Industry and Commerce, an official business group.

‘State Capitalism’ Is A Misleading Term

These figures should cause anyone who cites China’s economic miracle as evidence of the superiority of “state capitalism” to stop and think again. “State capitalism” is such an absurd term anyway. Capitalism is based on the twin pillars of free market principles and private enterprise. Capitalism is incompatible with a state economy in which companies are state-owned and planning authorities determine what is produced. Therefore, there can be no such thing as “state capitalism.” In truth, China is a mixed system that combines capitalism and socialism—just like every other country in the world. This is equally true of the United States and European countries, all of which blend—in different proportions—capitalist and socialist elements in their economic systems.


LINK
This post was edited on 4/1/20 at 12:27 pm
Posted by Oilfieldbiology
Member since Nov 2016
37491 posts
Posted on 4/1/20 at 12:33 pm to
Yeah I’m not gonna believe ChinaDaily.com

And wa Wei doesn’t have backdoors for the CCP to access user data? The CCP hasn’t instructed, allowed, and trained business operatives to steal IP and trade secrets?

Yeah China can go frick themselves. The CCP is involved in every international business decision
Posted by The Goon
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Nov 2008
1243 posts
Posted on 4/1/20 at 12:35 pm to
Just spit balling ideas, but how would this be handled in any other commodity market? If we produced too much corn, milk, or soybeans how would the government react?

The government would come in and pay a small portion of profits and overhead and pay farmers to plant something else or not at all.

What would happen if the government paid producers to idle wells for the next 90 days? Pay $4-$5 a BOPDE and idle 100 wells per lease.

Companies are actively doing this right now; as ESPs are failing wells are going idle. This will take some time to reduce down supply as nobody is actively turning off a producing well.
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