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re: So was Garner put in a choke hold or not?
Posted on 12/3/14 at 11:25 pm to meauxjeaux2
Posted on 12/3/14 at 11:25 pm to meauxjeaux2
frick you if you're defending the cop here. The jury fricked up here big time. That was a chokehold plain and simple and the cop should be in prison for murder.
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Posted on 12/3/14 at 11:26 pm to TutHillTiger
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My favorite case for all you racist on here involves a upper middle class white man. He was my client. He was a late 40's year old 6 foot tall 140 lb (Maybe) conservative Christian man and owned some radio stations in Tennessee. He was also a hemophiliac aka bleeder. One of few that survived the 80's due to aids infected blood transfusions. (See or read And the band played on)
His son was military and lived in an nice apartment complex in Biloxi. He just had a baby which was the man's first grandson. He drove down from Tennessee to see his new grandson but got to the complex making better time then he anticipated about 5 am. He was driving a new 300zx I think. Since they had just gotten home from hospital he didnt want to risk waking the baby and his daughter-n-law so he just parked in the parking lot of the complex and waited in his car for 7 am. One of the idiot neighbors called the cops allegedly saying he might be drug dealer etc. Cops come to car, bang on the window and order him out of the car guns drawn. Problem is one cop orders him to put his hands on the wheel while the other orders him to open the door and get out hands up. Guns drawn on him by the way, He tries to explain to them he cant put both hands on the wheel and open the door which only enrages them more. He warns them he is a bleeder and begs them not to handle him roughly as it could kill him. Of course they drag him out of the car and rough him up. His crime nothing so they claim he resisted arrest or failed to comply with instructions. They changed it when the ADA realized didn't have any grounds for arrest. A bleeder, yeah right. Of course, he almost died.
By the way they offered to drop the charges if he agreed not to sue them. You can imagine my response. The cops didn't know what they did until I recreated the incident in the court room. Where they admitted it was impossible for him to comply with their dueling request. They were not evil and would have apologized if City attorney would have let them. They were just green right out of the academy. Instead of spending time with his grandson he spent two weeks in hospital, got 250k in medical bills and almost died.
So yes Virginia middle class white Republican Christians can be killed by cops too. Even the ones that own Christian radio stations.
Great story...
People respond to crime or what they believe might be a crime in the making.
Trayvon was profiled for that very reason.. "Who walks in between houses in the rain?" Not homeowners...and they had a bunch of break ins happening
who sits in the car for hours at 5am? Not homeowners...
timing is everything sometimes
Posted on 12/3/14 at 11:27 pm to Coach72
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Here's the problem with that, almost all of them bitch, whine, argue, and complain during this process. How is law enforcement supposed to determine the diference between those crying wolf and and actual suspect in distress (especially, when the cops life might very well be in danger)? The answer is simple - when you resist, you forfeit your right to be heard or reasoned with until you are safely restrained.
Again, I've witnessed this crap with our youth for the last 15 years in the public school system. No accountability, it's never their fault, always an excuse.
This post, along with your "some groups (cough cough)" post from earlier lead me to believe this is about the race of Gardner to you and your opinion may be different if this was a clean-cut white kid who was the victim of mistaken identity or whatnot.
It's ok to admit it, but let's just call a spade a spade. No use in tiptoeing around it as you've been doing all night.
This post was edited on 12/3/14 at 11:28 pm
Posted on 12/3/14 at 11:28 pm to Sentrius
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That was a chokehold plain and simple and the cop should be in prison for murder.
we have real murderers who don't go to the prison for murder.
Here the he would likely get negligent homocide at worst.
Posted on 12/3/14 at 11:29 pm to Sentrius
Lol
If there's any karma in this world then I pray that one day you find yourself being anally violated by thugs, and there's not one damn cop in sight (or squealing distance).
#astroglide
If there's any karma in this world then I pray that one day you find yourself being anally violated by thugs, and there's not one damn cop in sight (or squealing distance).
#astroglide
Posted on 12/3/14 at 11:30 pm to Coach72
Well then.
Posted on 12/3/14 at 11:30 pm to boosiebadazz
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'm gonna just chalk this one up to a generational divide and go about my way.
Generational divide?
I am just being honest where I am coming from brother.
Do you have children? Are you a spiritual person?
We can't improve the profiling and social injustices if we continue to crucify police when we have blatant disregard for them and the law.
it sucks bad he died, but I doubt you have been arrested even one time
Posted on 12/3/14 at 11:30 pm to Layabout
quote:They "kept piling on" because he kept fighting them.
You can hear him saying "I can't breathe" in the video yet they kept piling on.
As the link in the OP says ( which you didn't read) perps being arrested routinely say many different untrue things, "I'm pregnant" "I have AIDS" "I have a bad back" in their attempt to get the policeman to release his grip so they can get loose or harm the policeman.
The police are taught to not let up until the person is cuffed and secure so that he can't injure the cop.
Posted on 12/3/14 at 11:31 pm to boosiebadazz
Negative ghostrider, dude could have been wearing a three piece suit and look like Ward freaking Cleaver and I would feel the same way.
Posted on 12/3/14 at 11:33 pm to Coach72
Don't misunderstand me, this is a tragedy. Nevertheless, a tragedy that could have easily been avoided by not being defiant, respecting authority, and complying with law enforcement. It was the deceased actions that set this entire process in motion.
Posted on 12/3/14 at 11:34 pm to ApexTiger
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Generational divide?
I am just being honest where I am coming from brother.
Do you have children? Are you a spiritual person?
We can't improve the profiling and social injustices if we continue to crucify police when we have blatant disregard for them and the law.
it sucks bad he died, but I doubt you have been arrested even one time
Yes, generational divide. I'm willing to bet you're over 40 and grew up at a different time in this country. I'm young (27) and have no kids and am not particularly spiritual in the sense that I'm inherently sinful and need God's forgiveness.
I have no problem with what you posted about your friend and your religion and how that makes you a bit biased here. We all have a story and our opinions and beliefs are all shaped by our different life experiences.
I wasn't looking to knock you or belittle you by saying it is a generational divide. I was just acknowledging that you and I are approaching this (most likely) from completely opposite directions and there is a small chance of finding common ground.
No harm, no foul. And you're right- I have never been arrested.
This post was edited on 12/3/14 at 11:37 pm
Posted on 12/3/14 at 11:39 pm to GumboPot
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It doesn't matter whether it was a choke hold or not. The only thing that matters was excessive force was used...excessive enough to kill him. It was really unnecessary.
Exactly. That shite is indefensible.
Posted on 12/3/14 at 11:41 pm to Coach72
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Lol
If there's any karma in this world then I pray that one day you find yourself being anally violated by thugs, and there's not one damn cop in sight (or squealing distance).
#astroglide
Wow.
You're such a noble defender of law enforcement officers that you say that you hope innocent citizens get raped in the most vile way possible just to prove a point that we need cops to people wanting accountbilty and questioning government and the criminal justice system.
Posted on 12/3/14 at 11:41 pm to Reubaltaich
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BTW, I read that Garner had been previously arrested EIGHT times, that right, EIGHT times, for the same infraction.
It's called a rear naked choke.
And what the frick do his previous arrests have to do with anything? You trying to say he was a violent criminal?
Posted on 12/3/14 at 11:41 pm to John McClane
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Exactly. That shite is indefensible.
Like Daniel-san's crane kick?
Posted on 12/3/14 at 11:43 pm to RedStickBR
quote:irony. At its finest
If he didn't premeditate it, then he's not a murderer.
We have a serious problem in this country of laypersons becoming enraged that people aren't charged with crimes they themselves can't even define.
Posted on 12/3/14 at 11:46 pm to RedStickBR
quote:yeesh
And second degree murder is still intentional.
Posted on 12/3/14 at 11:46 pm to cwill
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A guy was brutalized for selling cigarettes....think about that for a bit.
I definitely think the cops went overboard, and I work in mental health and we handle mentally ill men this guys size in take downs quite often. I will say that although we are trained in procedures/maneuvers to use, it NEVER goes the way we are trained. I know of patients that have died during take downs, due to health issues every time, and every one was overweight like this guy. Any one who calls this any form of premeditated murder is full of crap. It was a terrible accident and quite possibly a crime was committed by one or more of the officers. The waving at he camera by the officer was extremely unprofessional and would definitely get you fired in my profession. In any case let the legal system and the experts work that out, not a bunch of self-righteous on a message board.
With that said, the line I quoted "A guy was brutalized for selling cigarettes....think about that for a bit." is just wrong. He was 'brutalized' as you call it, for resisting arrest. He even gave his intention before hands were placed on him. Had he just capitulated and placed his hands behind his back and got arrested for the 31st time he would still be alive today. And that is truly tragic.
Posted on 12/3/14 at 11:48 pm to Sentrius
Not at all dude, but you just don't get it - nothing I attempt to explain will connect because you obviously have led a somewhat sheltered life and haven't been exposed to certain things. I can say that, because it's obvious that if you had been exposed to some of these situations, you would fully realize that society can in no way, shape, or form, permit suspects to resist arrest - period. Comply, and sort the rest out later.
Posted on 12/3/14 at 11:51 pm to Coach72
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Don't misunderstand me, this is a tragedy. Nevertheless, a tragedy that could have easily been avoided by not being defiant, respecting authority, and complying with law enforcement. It was the deceased actions that set this entire process in motion.
This is silly logic.
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