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re: So the mission in Afghanistan will be over August 31, 2021?
Posted on 7/8/21 at 6:24 pm to Indefatigable
Posted on 7/8/21 at 6:24 pm to Indefatigable
quote:While I agree in principle, it’s just not realistic. The US is the largest economy in the world. We’re going to influence the rest of the world in some way. We just need to find a better way of doing it.
I’m arguing against anyone who thinks the United States should have any say in who governs any other nation.
Posted on 7/8/21 at 6:25 pm to Lance Criminal 23
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We’re going to influence the rest of the world in some way. We just need to find a better way of doing it.
So long as you hold that belief, you’re never allowed to be surprised when the US is resented, reviled, and/or hated abroad.
We have zero justification for the level of meddling we undertake. And we aren’t even good at it.
Posted on 7/8/21 at 6:30 pm to Indefatigable
quote:All of this is overstated and over exaggerated. We aren’t reviled or hated by most people.
So long as you hold that belief, you’re never allowed to be surprised when the US is resented, reviled, and/or hated abroad.
quote:Justification has zero to do with it.
We have zero justification for the level of meddling we undertake.
quote:Agreed, hence why I said we need to find a better way.
And we aren’t even good at it.
Posted on 7/8/21 at 6:34 pm to Indefatigable
They knew we were leaving but they didn’t know specifics, it got looted because no preparations were made.
Posted on 7/8/21 at 6:35 pm to finchmeister08
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So the mission in Afghanistan will be over August 31, 2021?
No and Afg has been a battlefield forever. Nothing will change for that country.
Posted on 7/8/21 at 6:36 pm to finchmeister08
Is this like when sleepy said 70% of the people would have had the jab by the 4th of July?
Posted on 7/8/21 at 6:38 pm to finchmeister08
As the Afghan men run and hide, the women are taking up arms to fight the Taliban:
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Armed Afghan women take to streets in show of defiance against Taliban

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Armed Afghan women take to streets in show of defiance against Taliban

Posted on 7/8/21 at 6:39 pm to jackieMoon55
quote:
They knew we were leaving but they didn’t know specifics, it got looted because no preparations were made.
Not our problem.
Posted on 7/8/21 at 6:40 pm to TideCPA
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The fact that Afghanistan is falling into Taliban hands so quickly is proof that we never should have occupied the country to begin with, and anything past establishing a base of operations to seek out and kill bin Laden and immediately abandoning it after he was taken out has been an immense waste of blood and taxpayer money.
Yep. They have no desire for freedom as we know it.
Posted on 7/8/21 at 6:40 pm to Lance Criminal 23
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Justification has zero to do with it.
Justification has everything to do with it. Our foreign policy’s presumption of omnipotent power is one of the worst things about this country and the reason we create infinitely more geopolitical problems than we solve.
The means of our mingling is immaterial. The fact we do it at all is the problem
This post was edited on 7/8/21 at 6:42 pm
Posted on 7/8/21 at 6:42 pm to Indefatigable
quote:This is a silly thought process. It assumes an end state of utopia that is impossible the same as progressives do with their nonsense ideas. Grow up
Justification has everything to do with it. Our foreign policy’s presumption of omnipotent power is one of the worst things about this country and the reason we create infinitely more geopolitical problems than we solve.
The means of our mingling is immaterial. The fact we do it at all is the problem
This post was edited on 7/8/21 at 6:43 pm
Posted on 7/8/21 at 6:43 pm to Lance Criminal 23
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This is a silly thought process. It assumes an end state of utopia that is impossible. Grow up
What? No one said anything about utopia.
The internal operations of other countries is none of our business, nor should it be.
Posted on 7/8/21 at 6:46 pm to Indefatigable
quote:Sure, it shouldn’t be but it is, and that’s a reality that is inescapable. Until the United States ceases to exists or is so weak that no on gives a shot then that’s just the way it is. So we can figure out a better way or continue to wage war on a global scale. Pick your poison bro.
The internal operations of other countries is none of our business, nor should it be.
Posted on 7/8/21 at 6:57 pm to Lance Criminal 23
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Sure, it shouldn’t be but it is, and that’s a reality that is inescapable. Until the United States ceases to exists or is so weak that no on gives a shot then that’s just the way it is. So we can figure out a better way or continue to wage war on a global scale. Pick your poison bro.
Shining example of a false dichotomy. Which do you work for—DoD or the State Department?
I can’t even imagine thinking that the United States constant military interventions and/or our nation-building/coup activities are “inescapable”. They don’t ever work, and the reason they don’t is because we have no business engaging at all. It never will work, because we have no business engaging at all. It will never be embraced by the host country, because we have no business engaging at all.
No one, anywhere on earth, wants foreigners imposing their ideals and system of government.
This post was edited on 7/8/21 at 6:58 pm
Posted on 7/8/21 at 7:00 pm to finchmeister08
Afghanistan has been a shithole for 2000 years...why the U.S. thought they good change things for the better is beyond me!
Did we not learn anything from Vietnam??
Did we not learn anything from Vietnam??
Posted on 7/8/21 at 7:10 pm to Indefatigable
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It never will work, because we have no business engaging at all.
The only way it has ever worked is colonialism. Meaning a boot on the throat of the natives.
In the end that doesn't work as the juice isn't worth the squeeze.
Posted on 7/8/21 at 7:12 pm to finchmeister08
Weak administration will be weak forever
Posted on 7/8/21 at 7:25 pm to Indefatigable
quote:If you’ve read my posts in this thread you’d see that’s exactly what I’m implying. The US has a massive amounts of soft pier to export around the world and we’ve ignored for at least a generation
They don’t ever work, and the reason they don’t is because we have no business engaging at all. It never will work, because we have no business engaging at all. It will never be embraced by the host country, because we have no business engaging at all.
Posted on 7/8/21 at 8:31 pm to jonnyanony
Imagine hoping innocent people get slaughtered by the people who actually planned 9/11 as ... payback for 9/11?
Real galaxy brain shite there my man.
Real galaxy brain shite there my man.
Posted on 7/8/21 at 9:33 pm to Jack Carter
Now that’s some funny shite.
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