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re: So the DNC Server is Clearly Not Important to the Investigation
Posted on 7/17/18 at 9:27 am to Ole Messcort
Posted on 7/17/18 at 9:27 am to Ole Messcort
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You don't take the servers when you're investigation someone else hacking into them. It was 5 months before the election. DNC kinda needs their servers and computers to ya know try to elect their candidate. fricking morons. "Where are the servers?!!"
Yeah, it's like after a hit and run accident. Imagine the government saying we have to keep your car so that we can use it as evidence in court.
In reality, all you need are photos and witness testimony.
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Posted on 7/17/18 at 9:28 am to tigerinDC09
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Go read the 25 page indictment from Friday.
If you aren't convinced, then you should also be advocating for the release of thousands of felons convicted on considerably less evidence.
Indictments ARE NOT EVIDENCE. Especially considering the recent past of Mueller backing down when challenged by those he indicts.
I want them to release it to both sides for examination. Which is why I pray to God that one of these 12 comes to the USA to face trial. That way the actual evidence is released and BOTH sides get to evaluate it.
Posted on 7/17/18 at 9:30 am to SidewalkDawg
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The problem is that we don't know what the frick anyone has because they won't release the evidence either way.
You obviously didn't read the 25 page indictment on Friday, but what's the point, it wouldn't change your mind anyway.
Posted on 7/17/18 at 9:31 am to Jbird
Are these the ones they destroyed as well, or am I confusing this with other evidence they destroyed?
Posted on 7/17/18 at 9:32 am to ChineseBandit58
DId crodstrike hand over unmodified copies of those complete data/memory images to the FBI?
Posted on 7/17/18 at 9:32 am to tigerinDC09
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You obviously didn't read the 25 page indictment on Friday, but what's the point, it wouldn't change your mind anyway.
Is it similar to the other one that was botched by bob?
Posted on 7/17/18 at 9:35 am to tigerinDC09
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You obviously didn't read the 25 page indictment on Friday, but what's the point, it wouldn't change your mind anyway.
See my response right above yours. You are accepting at face value the ACCUSATION of a party that in a hyper-partisan environment may or may not be biased.
I want to see the actual evidence and have it evaluated in a court of law by non-biased jurors.
Posted on 7/17/18 at 9:36 am to SidewalkDawg
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Indictments ARE NOT EVIDENCE. Especially considering the recent past of Mueller backing down when challenged by those he indicts.
The indictments outline evidence like their google searches and communications with one another and US persons (One of which was already verified by said US person).
Even if you had the forensic evidence would you have the expertise to analyze it? Other 3rd party cyber companies already analyzed the malware and attributed it known Russian actions.
Posted on 7/17/18 at 9:37 am to tigerinDC09
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The indictments outline evidence like their google searches and communications with one another and US persons (One of which was already verified by said US person).
Then it shouldn't be a problem for them to release that evidence. Mueller has already shown his unwillingness to do that when challenged by a Russian company he indicted.
This post was edited on 7/17/18 at 9:38 am
Posted on 7/17/18 at 9:37 am to Jbird
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They took them down to include all computers and laptops, you aren't really suggesting they kept using them are you?
It doesn't matter if they kept using them or they played Office Space with them and had batting practice. It's their servers. They can do whatever the frick they want with them. They don't turn them all over when they are the ones PAYING someone else to investigate if they got hacked into. Trump screaming out "WHERE ARE THE SERVERS" two years later during a summit with Putin is an embarrassing display of toddler mentality that all the Trumpster bots have ate up no questions asked.
Posted on 7/17/18 at 9:38 am to tigerinDC09
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The indictments outline evidence like their google searches and communications with one another and US persons (One of which was already verified by said US person).
Like the 12 Russian bots that are challenging bib and hes freaking out iver. Will it be similar to the bulger case
Posted on 7/17/18 at 9:38 am to SidewalkDawg
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See my response right above yours. You are accepting at face value the ACCUSATION of a party that in a hyper-partisan environment may or may not be biased. I want to see the actual evidence and have it evaluated in a court of law by non-biased jurors.
In a press conference, Paul Ryan just said he's seen the additional classified intelligence and agrees that the GRU people outlined in the indictments are the hackers.
Posted on 7/17/18 at 9:39 am to tigerinDC09
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In a press conference, Paul Ryan just said he's seen the additional classified intelligence and agrees that the GRU people outlined in the indictments are the hackers.
I don't give a shite what Paul Ryan says. I want it out in the open for ALL to see.
Posted on 7/17/18 at 9:40 am to SidewalkDawg
Patience, grasshopper
If you are really interested in learning more about some of the evidence that is publicly available, there’s a lot of places you can find it.
If you are really interested in learning more about some of the evidence that is publicly available, there’s a lot of places you can find it.
This post was edited on 7/17/18 at 9:45 am
Posted on 7/17/18 at 9:43 am to Swoopin
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DId crodstrike hand over unmodified copies of those complete data/memory images to the FBI?
I have no idea - I am only commenting on the logic of the excerpt that Decatur provided. It explains why the images of live data is better (for some purposes) than examining hard drive contents after the fact.
Of course it is possible Crowdsrike manufactured the 'evidence' - but that is a different issue.
IS there a way to ID the hackers after the fact? after the hacker has come and gone? Is there a way to cipher all this from the hard drive data? I just dont have any idea of how sleuths these internet sleuths are. Envious of those who do.
Posted on 7/17/18 at 9:46 am to ChineseBandit58
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I have no idea - I am only commenting on the logic of the excerpt that Decatur provided. It explains why the images of live data is better (for some purposes) than examining hard drive contents after the fact. Of course it is possible Crowdsrike manufactured the 'evidence' - but that is a different issue. IS there a way to ID the hackers after the fact? after the hacker has come and gone? Is there a way to cipher all this from the hard drive data? I just dont have any idea of how sleuths these internet sleuths are. Envious of those who do.
I can understand the confusion from those who aren't cyber experts.... With that said, what's the point of having cyber experts explain it if some in here won't even believe/trust what they say?
Even aside from the cyber forensics, you have intercepts of the GRU discussing the hack and their actions to clean up after themselves.
Posted on 7/17/18 at 9:48 am to tigerinDC09
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I can understand the confusion from those who aren't cyber experts.... With that said, what's the point of having cyber experts explain it if some in here won't even believe/trust what they say?
Because the only way to deal with bias is to have two competeing sides bring their own experts to assess the information.
For all we know, Crowdsrike is "With Her". In order to safeguard from that accusation, we have to have the evidence in front of the experts that both sides have chosen to explain it.
Posted on 7/17/18 at 9:56 am to BBONDS25
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Why not just hand over the servers now and eliminate this entire line of questioning?
Not many IT folks on the poliboard.
Learn the difference between volatile and nonvolatile memory.
Posted on 7/17/18 at 9:58 am to ChineseBandit58
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IS there a way to ID the hackers after the fact? after the hacker has come and gone?
You can when they reuse command and control servers and malware.
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But some of the most compelling evidence linking the DNC breach to Russia was found at the beginning of July by Thomas Rid, a professor at King’s College in London, who discovered an identical command-and-control address hardcoded into the DNC malware that was also found on malware used to hack the German Parliament in 2015. According to German security officials, the malware originated from Russian military intelligence. An identical SSL certificate was also found in both breaches.
LINK
Edit: not sure I answered your question but I hope you find the info helpful.
This post was edited on 7/17/18 at 10:01 am
Posted on 7/17/18 at 10:00 am to Decatur
Appreciate your posts. Learning a lot about the hacking side of the investigation this morning.
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