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re: So if Comey wrote a memo, this means its the gospel?
Posted on 5/17/17 at 12:19 am to shoelessjoe
Posted on 5/17/17 at 12:19 am to shoelessjoe
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This could very well be another lie by the media.
So you think the media is fabricating the fact that Comey has a memo?
This needs repeating again, but the reporter who broke this story is the same one who broke the Hillary email story.
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Posted on 5/17/17 at 12:26 am to FairhopeTider
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So you think the media is fabricating the fact that Comey has a memo?
Not saying that its fabricating but shouldnt Comey have gone to the DOJ a long time ago? Then again all of a sudden the left is again praying Comey is right but couldnt stand him when Hillary was being looked down upon by him. Its obvious the media is biased that fact is undeniable so why should anyone believe anything they say until the facts come out.
Posted on 5/17/17 at 12:43 am to shoelessjoe
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shouldnt Comey have gone to the DOJ a long time ago?
Comey will have to answer to that but there seem to be some reasonable explanations as to why he wouldn't.
We know the media lacks credibility but I'm trying to figure what Trump has done to earn the benefit of the doubt in a situation like this.
Posted on 5/17/17 at 12:53 am to FairhopeTider
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We know the media lacks credibility but I'm trying to figure what Trump has done to earn the benefit of the doubt in a situation like this.
What has the media done to warrant trust in what is being said? Trump very well could be in the wrong. Could be a slap on the wrist wrong. Sooner or later the media may get something right but after a while you get tired of their shite.
Posted on 5/17/17 at 12:57 am to FairhopeTider
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But does it really seem that far fetched that Trump would do something like that?
No, I do believe it. The thing is I don't blame Trump. He essentially got Comey into a room and said "Look you and I both know this is a bunch of bullshite stirred up by the Dems. Can you wrap this up soon?"
I think it is a very reasonable request. There is NO EVIDENCE anywhere that Trump colluded with Russia and there never was any evidence. Trump was merely telling Comey not to feed into the bullshite dreamed up by Hillary and fed to the media (there's where the real collusion is).
And I don't think Trump cared about Flynn one way or the other. I said on this board the day Flynn was fired that it had nothing to do with "lying to Pence." I didn't buy it then and I still don't buy it. I think Trump let Flynn go as a concession to smooth things over with Comey and the media. In other words "You want Flynn, fine, you got him. He's out."
I also said then that this was a mistake. Giving them Flynn just put blood in the water and made the swamp creatures hungrier.
Posted on 5/17/17 at 1:09 am to shoelessjoe
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What has the media done to warrant trust
I literally just said the media doesn't have a lot of credibility. In this case, and I have to say it again apparently, the reporter has gone after Hillary as well. So it's not like he made this story up. You can questions Comey's account of what happened but the "media" isn't making up the fact that there's a memo out there.
Again, Trump has burned through much of his credibility because he's wasted it on BS Twitter claims and such. You can't really hold the media to one standard and then turn around and make excuses whenever Trump is dishonest.
Posted on 5/17/17 at 1:14 am to FairhopeTider
I agree to a certain point. I dont think Trump did do anything wrong. I dont care what the reporter said about Hillary. I just think all of this is being blown up.
Posted on 5/17/17 at 1:20 am to FairhopeTider
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Comey will have to answer to that but there seem to be some reasonable explanations as to why he wouldn't.
Nope. If Comey held info that many people now thinks makes Trump looks guilty of something, then Comey is guilty too. Comey abetted by not exposing this alleged crime when it happened. No other way to explain it other than Comey held this "info" for ammo for future use. Hell, he might be guiltier than Trump if all this is true. It was Comey's job as Director to do something about it when it happened - and he didn't.
Wouldn't surprise me at all if this memo never gets officially verified to be used as some kind of evidence against Trump because Comey will be incriminating his own self. But hey, could be that Comey believes it's worth sullying his reputation, which he thrives on, in order to bring down Trump.
Posted on 5/17/17 at 1:26 am to Homesick Tiger
Comey filed the memos to the FBI after writing them, right after the events in question took place. Information was not "held". Why are so many so eager to jump straight into conspiratorial tangents?
This post was edited on 5/17/17 at 1:32 am
Posted on 5/17/17 at 1:32 am to thetigerman
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Comey filed the memos to the FBI after writing them, right after the events in question took place.
Well and good but if Trump did something nefarious and Comey deemed it such then Comey should have acted on it, no? Seems since Comey didn't investigate at the time of the "crime" then there's nothing here or Comey is crooked also.
Trump made a blundering mistake based on incompetence. Comey made a calculated move for personal gain. One act is way worse than the other imo.
Posted on 5/17/17 at 1:34 am to thetigerman
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Comey filed the memos to the FBI after writing them, right after the events in question took place.
But where are the certifiable documents kept and how do we know that they were not altered or replaced completely (Illuminati/Soros) ?
Posted on 5/17/17 at 1:42 am to skiptumahloo
Obstruction of justice would have to include a threat and an action. The funding and the investigation continue; ergo, no case. Wishful thinking for Democrats who ignored the obvious impropriety of the Clinton/Lunch tarmac tete a tete.
Posted on 5/17/17 at 1:44 am to shoelessjoe
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this supposed coversation just between Trump and Comey or were others involved. If it was just the two of them then its just hear say
Wtf. That's not how hearsay works.
Posted on 5/17/17 at 1:53 am to Homesick Tiger
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Trump made a blundering mistake based on incompetence.
That's being generous in light of the fact that @real fired Comey a couple of months later.
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Comey made a calculated move for personal gain.
When I've made notes immediately following a disturbing conversation, it was to preserve the contents of that conversation as accurately as possible. I expect no less of other people, so I tend to take "memorializations" (never knew the word) seriously.
Posted on 5/17/17 at 2:00 am to Spock's Eyebrow
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When I've made notes
Which is fine. However, if this memo is evidence of wrongdoing by Trump then it should have been exposed the day it happened unless Comey made the decision to investigate the matter. I have seen absolutely no reports of starting an investigation about this by Comey. Have you?
Posted on 5/17/17 at 7:06 am to shoelessjoe
Until I see the memo, there is no memo.
More fake news!
More fake news!
Posted on 5/17/17 at 7:08 am to shoelessjoe
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So if Comey wrote a memo, this means its the gospel?
I'll go ahead and make a prediction.
Comey tells Trump there's no evidence of collusion / criminal intent. Trump asks why the FBI is still investigating, then.
^ That'll be the end of it.
Posted on 5/17/17 at 7:37 am to demtigers73
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Until I see the memo, there is no memo.
More fake news!
Posted on 5/17/17 at 8:11 am to skiptumahloo
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It is 100% obviously an attempt to intimidate a federal agent in order to get him to drop an investigation. If you wanna tell yourself he was only doing it because he believed Flynn was innocent or something, fine, that doesn't change the fact that it's obstruction of justice.
A couple of things
1. Nothing here is 100% fact. I mean we don't even know that the memo exists, and if it does it exist what it says
2. Assuming the memo says exactly what is claimed "I sure hope you can find your way to get past this" or words very similar, that does NOT rise to the legal threshold you hope it does.
3. Where was your outrage when Obama was out declaring Hillary innocent of any wrongdoing on MULTIPLE occasions during that investigation , which obviously your boss prejudging an investigation is going to let you know how he or she would like the investigation to go.
Once again this is a case where neither extreme is right. This wasn't no big deal, nor was it an attempt to obstruct justice, it was somewhere in between. A comment that a President shouldn't make to the Director of the FBI , perhaps, but not something to go to Defcon 1 over as some of yall have. We know this is true by the fact that Comey didn't immediately go to his bosses and file a complaint , as would the norm
Posted on 5/17/17 at 8:24 am to PhoenixLSUTiger
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See the problem with Trump is that he has no credibility left.
Trump's real problem is that the MSM, candy-assed celebrities and all of the left wing idiotic idealists have had their sights set on Trump since the moment he won the election. Before that actually but for the sake of simplicity, we'll pretend that he was given a fair chance to prove himself as president.
The press jumps on every little thing Trump does or says. Meanwhile, Obama's presidency was designated "scandal free" in spite of the IRS profiling, Benghazi and the fast and the furious operation.
There is an obvious agenda at work and I don't see how any rational person can accept anything the MSM hands us without skepticism.
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