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re: So I was born in the late 90s and consider myself to be pretty liberal...

Posted on 12/14/17 at 2:42 pm to
Posted by CptBengal
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Posted on 12/14/17 at 2:42 pm to
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the cuts on the estate tax are honestly egregious coming from the perspective of an out of Work coal miner in Kentucky? How does that help me?


Estates exist on taxed money. You think it should be taxed again?
Posted by 337Tiger19
Lake Charles, LA
Member since Feb 2014
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Posted on 12/14/17 at 2:43 pm to
Thanks for this; looks pretty useful.
Posted by 337Tiger19
Lake Charles, LA
Member since Feb 2014
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Posted on 12/14/17 at 2:45 pm to
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Estates exist on taxed money. You think it should be taxed again?


When they are to the tune of some-odd hundred million? Yes.
Posted by GeauxxxTigers23
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Member since Apr 2013
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Posted on 12/14/17 at 2:45 pm to
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Don’t you fear that too much of a shrunken Federal Government would eventually become a detriment?
No

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There should be more regulations and norms than just infrastucture shouldn’ there?
No

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I’m not disagreeing with you about the considerable growth within the peer of the executive branch over the past few decades.
You sure do use a lot of words to say “Yes the government is too big but I want more of it anyway.”
Posted by GeauxxxTigers23
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Posted on 12/14/17 at 2:45 pm to
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When they are to the tune of some-odd hundred million? Yes.

Why?
Posted by HempHead
Big Sky Country
Member since Mar 2011
56524 posts
Posted on 12/14/17 at 2:46 pm to
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Some of this bill includes some corporate welfare


I'll admit, I haven't read the entirety of the bill. What kind of welfare are we talking? Direct subsidies, or tax breaks? Because the latter is assuredly not welfare.

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the cuts on the estate tax are honestly egregious coming from the perspective of an out of Work coal miner in Kentucky?


Why is this egregious to a coal miner? He is unaffected by someone else having less of their money taken in the event of a wealthy family member dying.

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How does that help me?


The estate tax doesn't help or hurt you; it's not like it was your money to begin with. As far as the corporate rate being diminished, it may put a potential employer in the position to hire you due to increased margins. I'm not saying that is a cold hard fact, but it is entirely plausible.

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Why isn’t the federal gorvernment looking at places like Pittsburgh as a model and turning these places into areas of green energy now that it’s becoming just as profitable as oil and gas now that they have these people’s attention?


Because it is not the federal government's responsibility to do such things - that is up to the states, or to municipalities. Thinking that because a particular policy or project worked in X city creates an excuse to create an entire federal policy is shortsighted and sure to lead to unintended consequences.

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Why don’t they actually invest in infrastructure that dems would help out on?


This is a promise that I expect to see delivered, but it doesn't really relate to this bill.

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Why is tax cuts what must be done?



Because thievery is wrong, and the government almost always spends money in a less efficient manner than a private citizen.

Posted by double d
Amarillo by morning
Member since Jun 2004
17056 posts
Posted on 12/14/17 at 2:46 pm to
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I’m about to graduate from LSU with a next December with degree in Poli Sci and a concentration in Government and Policy and sights on a tier one law school,


Just what the world needs, another damned liberal lawyer.
Posted by 337Tiger19
Lake Charles, LA
Member since Feb 2014
2479 posts
Posted on 12/14/17 at 2:47 pm to
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Do you read the crap you write? Hmm, Poli Sci graduate, makes sense.


I’m on my phone, but you’re funny.
Posted by texridder
The Woodlands, TX
Member since Oct 2017
14935 posts
Posted on 12/14/17 at 2:47 pm to
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On the other side, the corporate reductions and repatriation will, without a doubt, lead to a huge expansion of economic growth, which will mean more jobs and higher incomes for those same "put upon" families.

So how much per annum, or cumulatively over the next 10 yeas, do you think the corporate reductions and repatriations will add to the GDP?

(FYI. Looking for something more specific than "huge")
Posted by cokebottleag
I’m a Santos Republican
Member since Aug 2011
24080 posts
Posted on 12/14/17 at 2:48 pm to
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However, I’m about to graduate from LSU with a next December with degree in Poli Sci and a concentration in Government and Policy and sights on a tier one law school, and for the life of me, I can’t understand this. Forgive my naivety on conservative policy, but can anyone convince me why this tax bill is a good thing in any way? To me, all it seems like is Trump selling his base a piece of legislation that will only hurt them and their children in the long run along with a massive hole in the deficit to be blown that doesn’t sound like something conservatives and tea party members would be excited about. So why is everyone so eager to get this passed? Is it because of the hacks it takes at Obamacare, or do people generally believe the people that voted for Trump will benefit from this bill? Or is it simply just to have some sort of political “win?”


Maybe I'm the first to point this out, but if this is your level of writing ability, a tier one law school is likely not for you.

Ballpark, I'd guess you're more the "paralegal certification from New Hampshire State Online University" type track. Just keep it as a plan B.
Posted by 337Tiger19
Lake Charles, LA
Member since Feb 2014
2479 posts
Posted on 12/14/17 at 2:50 pm to
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You sure do use a lot of words to say “Yes the government is too big but I want more of it anyway.”


I said the power of the executive branch has become too broad; not the federal government as a whole.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
295749 posts
Posted on 12/14/17 at 2:50 pm to
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But I understand from this board; the main issue is that they just want the government to be smaller, no matter how it happens. That type of thinking just seems problematic to me in a globalist world.




It has nothing to do with it. A globalist world will always have private commercial trade as its greatest driver.

Look, it appears you have the idea that one government favors smaller govt over the other and that's not necessarily true. It's more about the scope of federal and state powers.
Posted by LSU fan 246
Member since Oct 2005
90567 posts
Posted on 12/14/17 at 2:50 pm to
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When they are to the tune of some-odd hundred million? Yes.



so the premise is tax people more because theyre rich?

god i hate people that think like that
Posted by LSU92
New Orleans
Member since Jan 2008
2435 posts
Posted on 12/14/17 at 2:50 pm to
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I didn’t expect much; but I know there’s someone that can actually give me something other than the same trickle-down politics theory from the 60s that eventually drove us into an Economic depression towards the end of the Bush Presidency


You need to go to the office and get a refund on your education. You were ripped off.

Anyone can research to see the positive effects of the Kennedy tax cuts in the 60's and the Reagan cuts in the 80's. It is very easy.
Posted by Parmen
Member since Apr 2016
18317 posts
Posted on 12/14/17 at 2:51 pm to
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168 LSAT, taking again in February; so you’re Damned right


If you're a white male or didn't cure cancer, you're screwed.
Posted by 337Tiger19
Lake Charles, LA
Member since Feb 2014
2479 posts
Posted on 12/14/17 at 2:51 pm to
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Maybe I'm the first to point this out, but if this is your level of writing ability, a tier one law school is likely not for you.

Ballpark, I'd guess you're more the "paralegal certification from New Hampshire State Online University" type track. Just keep it as a plan B.


Honestly, this is an Internet forum. It isn’t law Journal. I’m on my phone.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
295749 posts
Posted on 12/14/17 at 2:53 pm to
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said the power of the executive branch has become too broad; not the federal government as a whole.


So 100% of the bureaucracy is necessary?
Posted by texridder
The Woodlands, TX
Member since Oct 2017
14935 posts
Posted on 12/14/17 at 2:56 pm to
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Why is this egregious to a coal miner? He is unaffected by someone else having less of their money taken in the event of a wealthy family member dying.

There are just so many cuts that can be made and keep it under the $1.5 trillion limit.

So cutting the estate tax (not picking on that one in particular, but as an example) does effect others insofar as that was a cut made instead of making it somewhere else.

Just like cutting the corporate rate to 20% (or maybe 21%), instead of maybe 25%, and spreading that cut throughout the middle class, would have been another choice which could have been made.
Posted by 337Tiger19
Lake Charles, LA
Member since Feb 2014
2479 posts
Posted on 12/14/17 at 2:56 pm to
I know I’d be called a socialist or a communist; but honestly that money could be taxed and put into any number of federal programs beneficial to the middle class.
Posted by CptBengal
BR Baby
Member since Dec 2007
71661 posts
Posted on 12/14/17 at 2:56 pm to
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When they are to the tune of some-odd hundred million? Yes.




Why?

Why do you deserve more of their money?
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