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re: So all I need to do to afford a $750,000 house

Posted on 3/17/25 at 4:54 pm to
Posted by Hopeful Doc
Member since Sep 2010
15388 posts
Posted on 3/17/25 at 4:54 pm to
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Is to cancel my Netflix subscription and stop buying lattes and avocado toast?

Then I will be able to afford a house?

But what if I don't subscribe to Netflix, don't drink coffee, or eat avocado toast?



I’ll bite:
1) small recurring expenses are often tied to how easy/important it is to retire rather than to buy a home. I’ve never seen this comparison. But the quick math:
Most people wouldn’t think of a Starbucks venti (large) latte as a ‘splurge,’ and $4.15 for something you could make at home for significantly less. Quick AI answer suggests that 16oz of beans will make you something like 32-64 cups of coffee. You can get them Anywhere between $5-20 per pound. Even with the added price of milk (and electricity and time) you’re looking at 75% cost savings for something that isn’t hard to do. Let’s say the cost of that home cup is around $1 (though you could easily drop it to almost 1/10 that and have coffee for a month for the price of the one latte if that was your thing). We’ll just use the $3.15 in savings. It doesn’t mean you can buy a Starbucks latte. And almost no one buys 365 of them a year. But it’s a quick point meant to prove a thing.
Here’s the thing:
Throwing away $3.15 is so easy you won’t miss it. Instead of throwing it into a cup of coffee and a line, throw it into a total market/s&p 500 type fund. You’ve just saved $1150 (rounded up a quarter).
What does that get you?
If you start this habit at 22 and work until 65, assuming a 6% after-inflation-adjustment return, you’ve got $228K from making a small but meaningful choice.



Cigarettes are usually a better option for the concept, because people really do buy 365 packs a year and don’t skip days when compared to things like coffee or avocado toast. $5.21 per pack is the cheapest average price in the country. $10.53 is the highest. Median around $8. Using $8 and the same career because this hypothetical human who made the choice between an unnecessary habit and dedicating the (seemingly) trivial amount of money to retirement and waited until 22 to make the decision: $580K. 4% of which would be a tad over $20K, and $20K/year in retirement (trinity study, long retirement, never run out of money, almost always end up with more money than started, etc…can provide more detail for anyone suggesting I don’t understand it, but that’s as good a short summary as I’ve ever seen) is almost always a ‘step up’ from where someone was considering retiring (that’s a hell of a vacation a year more).


The point is that small decisions compound drastically.

But a $750K house? I don’t understand what your point in using this is. Outside of a couple HCOL areas, a home of that price is considered pretty luxurious. I don’t think anyone is arguing that everyone deserves luxuries accommodations. I don’t think anyone suggests the math of living in one of these areas is comparable to living in Many, LA. Housing is almost always a direct function of current earnings and job stability rather than good saving from any financial advice I’ve ever read. While they both deal with money, they’re just wildly different things.


Now, the final part:
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Also can you point me in the direction of those $500 beater cars that are always being talked about while you're at it?


I have always struggled with car math. Or, really, I’ve always had unreliable transportation that left me stranded a few times a year, missed work, etc until I bought a new vehicle. I bought two used cars right out of college/med school. A Camry with 180K that I drove to about 230K. Lost a timing chain, blew a head gasket shortly after. The car was cheap ($2000), and over 4 years, I probably spent about that much in maintenance on it. The next one (bought on 2d notice because of the catastrophic loss of the Camry) was a gentler-used Ford Fusion around 100K miles. It actually didn’t break down, but I wound up putting about 50% of what I paid for the car into maintenance annually on it. At that point, I made the ‘bad’ financial decision of buying a new car and actually having a (sub-4%) note on it. It has been much more pleasurable to put the first 150,000 miles on my truck than the last 50,000 of either of those vehicles. That said, as my truck enters its ‘later years’ and turns ten soon, I’m tempted to find a gently-used Camry/accord sub 30k miles. But the price off doesn’t really justify not buying new. Heck, I just looked up certified used Toyota, and they want $17K for one with 100,000 miles on it. The traditional view of car ownership advice (buy 3 year old car and never sell it etc) has changed drastically in the last 5 years, and for the last decade has been a little overly optimistic in my opinion. It may still apply to uber-luxurious things whose values plummet rapidly, but the economics of ‘everyday cars’ has become financially crippling (maybe slight hyperbole) to anyone near median income who intends to live without significant debt. That said, holding onto a car is still the smart strategy. And people can/should feel free to finance one. But the smartest decision is to buy one, pay it off, but continue saving the value of the note of your last one until you can buy the next one in cash. It hurts way more to spend $40,000 in one day than $48,000 over 5 years for some reason. So it actually helps you spend less in a couple ways, oddly enough.




TLDR- $750K homes are probably going to remain reserved for those making $250K/y or more unless you’re willing to make very significant sacrifices in other areas. But anyone within the realm of median income has the opportunity to make smart decisions and retire a millionaire (and I am talking about having a million dollars. Not considering ‘millionaire’ to be the lavish rock-star lifestyle that so many people tend to think it is).
Posted by wackatimesthree
Member since Oct 2019
10616 posts
Posted on 3/17/25 at 5:00 pm to
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Lets say we have a 21 year old that is a real go getter. He was one of the lucky few that got a nice salary job out of college. He makes $70k in a state with income(well use AL). After all taxes he brings in $54,481

Hes very frugal and cooks every meal. Never goes out or gets takeout. His daily meal budget id $15 which is $450/mth

His modest car payment and insurance is $375/mth

He got a pretty far apartment from work so his gas costs/car maintenance is $320/mth

His 1br apartment is $1000/month and utilities $200/month

He saves $2200 every month for a house by never doing anything but work. No vacations, no avacado toast, no girlfriend, no eating out.

He decides that he wants to buy a house 100k UNDER median home value at $319k.

It takes him 2.5 years to finally get the money to buy the house....but his house payment is now $2250 and his utilities, home maintenance, insurance and property taxes are now $700

His monthly expenses doing the absolute bare minimum are $4200...he brings in $4500

This is for a totally unrealistic scenario of a young person making $70k...which is probably 10% of those under 25.


Sounds to me like that 21 year old needs to rent (with a roommate) until he gets married.

You know. Like people used to do.
Posted by Ostrich
Alexandria, VA
Member since Nov 2011
10165 posts
Posted on 3/17/25 at 5:04 pm to
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You think 150k houses only are located in shithole towns? you truly are stupid.


Please, link a $150k house that isn’t a shite hole.
Posted by wackatimesthree
Member since Oct 2019
10616 posts
Posted on 3/17/25 at 5:08 pm to
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Please, link a $150k house that isn’t a shite hole.


Anywhere?
Posted by Ostrich
Alexandria, VA
Member since Nov 2011
10165 posts
Posted on 3/17/25 at 5:09 pm to
Yeah anywhere that isn’t a shithole
Posted by Asharad
Tiamat
Member since Dec 2010
6296 posts
Posted on 3/17/25 at 5:10 pm to
quote:

all I need to do to afford a $750,000 house
expectations are holding you back
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
466724 posts
Posted on 3/17/25 at 5:12 pm to
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Yeah anywhere that isn’t a shithole

NC looked in my area (many consider it a shithole) and found some for $200k, but most were in/around the ghetto or had some issues
Posted by wackatimesthree
Member since Oct 2019
10616 posts
Posted on 3/17/25 at 5:13 pm to
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Yeah anywhere that isn’t a shithole


I have no idea what your criteria is for what constitutes a shithole.

You'll have to give me some specific areas.

I suspect, though, that this is where the whole challenge falls apart. I and others have posted objective numbers proving that this housing market is no worse than other housing markets that older people had to deal with in the past, the big difference being two things:

1. The entitled expectations of young people
2. The constant narrative that this is the worst housing market in human history

I am pretty well convinced that both of those things are true. So I have no interest in posting multiple houses for you to just say, "Nobody should be expected to live in that shithole area."
Posted by SDVTiger
Cabo San Lucas
Member since Nov 2011
93717 posts
Posted on 3/17/25 at 5:15 pm to
Well you can find some maybe in WV that are decent but majority if not all homes at 150k will be in a shitehole area

Posted by Ostrich
Alexandria, VA
Member since Nov 2011
10165 posts
Posted on 3/17/25 at 5:16 pm to
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I am pretty well convinced that both of those things are true. So I have no interest in posting multiple houses for you to just say, "Nobody should be expected to live in that shithole area."


For simplicity how about anywhere in Louisiana or Texas? You’re not going link one because you won’t find one.
Posted by David_DJS
Member since Aug 2005
21825 posts
Posted on 3/17/25 at 5:17 pm to
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2. The constant narrative that this is the worst housing market in human history

IMO - the bigger factor. I'm guessing the nonsense that young people have it harder/worse than their parents started on college campuses, and at a time when victimhood is all the rage.
Posted by wackatimesthree
Member since Oct 2019
10616 posts
Posted on 3/17/25 at 5:17 pm to
quote:

Well you can find some maybe in WV that are decent but majority if not all homes at 150k will be in a shitehole area


Again, all that depends on the definition of a shithole area.
Posted by SDVTiger
Cabo San Lucas
Member since Nov 2011
93717 posts
Posted on 3/17/25 at 5:21 pm to
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Again, all that depends on the definition of a shithole area.


You can try and claim whatever but anything thats 150k is either e mobile park or a shitehole area and you know that

Its why you wont even attempt to post a listing at 150k
Posted by DrrTiger
Gulf of America
Member since Nov 2023
2374 posts
Posted on 3/17/25 at 5:22 pm to
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Yeah anywhere that isn’t a shithole


Ten minutes from downtown Huntsville. Now tell me all the reasons this is inhabitable for a 22-year-old without a pot to piss in.

LINK
Posted by wackatimesthree
Member since Oct 2019
10616 posts
Posted on 3/17/25 at 5:25 pm to
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. The 25-27 year old professionals who face insane bubble pricing attached to urban areas that offer the competitive salaries. Nobody is arguing for the 22 year old fresh out of college just starting out.


I consider a 25 year old just starting out.

You don't?

I mean, if we're talking about someone who can really benefit from the "competitive salaries" that urban areas offer, we're probably not just talking about someone with just a bachelor's degree, are we?

If they went to graduate/professional school they may only be a year or so out of school at that point. Maybe just got out, if they went to law school. Maybe still in school if they went to medical school.

Beside, if the salaries they offer to work on these places are not "competitive" enough to enable people to live on them in those places, what's the point of busting your arse to get one of those jobs and live in one of those places?

Posted by Ostrich
Alexandria, VA
Member since Nov 2011
10165 posts
Posted on 3/17/25 at 5:27 pm to
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Ten minutes from downtown Huntsville. Now tell me all the reasons this is inhabitable for a 22-year-old without a pot to piss in.


Thanks for at least attempting. Is it inhabitable? Yeah I guess. Would I raise a family in an Alabama mobile home zoned to MLK elementary? Hell no. It’s a shite hole.
Posted by wackatimesthree
Member since Oct 2019
10616 posts
Posted on 3/17/25 at 5:28 pm to
quote:

You can try and claim whatever but anything thats 150k is either e mobile park or a shitehole area and you know that

Its why you wont even attempt to post a listing at 150k


Not sure why I'm wasting my time replying to someone who has spared no expense of effort to consistently represent how dumb you are over a period of years on this board, but I've already told you why I haven't linked anything.

I'm not falling for the true scotsman fallacy.

I have Google searched, though, and I know listings are out there. But I'm waiting for a definition of terms before posting them.
Posted by wackatimesthree
Member since Oct 2019
10616 posts
Posted on 3/17/25 at 5:29 pm to
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Thanks for at least attempting. Is it inhabitable? Yeah I guess. Would I raise a family in an Alabama mobile home zoned to MLK elementary? Hell no. It’s a shite hole.


And there you go.

This is why I will not post listings without a definition of terms.
Posted by wackatimesthree
Member since Oct 2019
10616 posts
Posted on 3/17/25 at 5:31 pm to
quote:

Would I raise a family


If you were raising a family you'd have two incomes and could afford a more expensive house than $150k.
Posted by Ostrich
Alexandria, VA
Member since Nov 2011
10165 posts
Posted on 3/17/25 at 5:32 pm to
What terms are you looking for? How about schools rated at least 6/10 and a good crime rating?
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