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re: Snowden, Russia, and USA
Posted on 3/20/14 at 9:10 am to constant cough
Posted on 3/20/14 at 9:10 am to constant cough
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. Any government over time can and will be corruptible if not held to account
and if Snowden didnt release the info...they still wouldnt be held to account.
The frickers lied to Congress.
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Posted on 3/20/14 at 9:10 am to Alahunter
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You've been watching Enemy of the State too much.
You have your head buried in the sand too much.
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Again, what's naïve in expecting the Gov't to abide by the Constitution and not break laws? And why is it ok for them to oppress it's own citizens? And why shouldn't they be held to the same standard you wish to hold Snowden to? I again make the statement.. .your argument, is that our own Gov't is evil, and it should be expected to invade our privacy, violate our rights, and if someone opposes, they should be held accountable. Sounds quite Gestapo like to me.
No, that's your argument I never said anything of the such. I don't like the government spying I'm just not naive enough to think they haven't been doing it all along and that those in charge of the spying respect the constitution.
That's why I don't think Snowden is a hero for tell me the government is spying on us. No shite, duh!
Posted on 3/20/14 at 9:10 am to Alahunter
New York Times. 2009.
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WASHINGTON — The National Security Agency intercepted private e-mail messages and phone calls of Americans in recent months on a scale that went beyond the broad legal limits established by Congress last year, government officials said in recent interviews.
Posted on 3/20/14 at 9:12 am to CptBengal
So you're going to ignore the fact that Snowden exposed that Norway was helping us spy on Russia?
Posted on 3/20/14 at 9:12 am to CptBengal
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and if Snowden didnt release the info...they still wouldnt be held to account.
They still aren't being held to account and they are still spying.
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The frickers lied to Congress.
Congress is apparently naive enough too if they think they have control over the spy networks. No telling how much blackmail material the spy masters have on members of congress at this point.
Posted on 3/20/14 at 9:13 am to VOLhalla
Same article..
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The Justice Department, in response to inquiries from The New York Times, acknowledged Wednesday night that there had been problems with the N.S.A. surveillance operation, but said they had been resolved.
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In a statement on Wednesday night, the N.S.A. said that its “intelligence operations, including programs for collection and analysis, are in strict accordance with U.S. laws and regulations.”
Posted on 3/20/14 at 9:14 am to CptBengal
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there is NO link, data, proof, or anything that says he did...except for the propaganda of the US Government.
This is true. We only have what the Government has stated. That and the recent, sudden actions of Russia.
Again, what he did by exposing the NSA program is fine. If he did indeed go to Russia, broker a deal for his safety that gave up assets world wide causing intel to dry up... Then yeah. He is a traitor.
Posted on 3/20/14 at 9:15 am to Alahunter
Wall Street Journal 2008
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According to current and former intelligence officials, the spy agency now monitors huge volumes of records of domestic emails and Internet searches as well as bank transfers, credit-card transactions, travel and telephone records. The NSA receives this so-called "transactional" data from other agencies or private companies, and its sophisticated software programs analyze the various transactions for suspicious patterns. Then they spit out leads to be explored by counterterrorism programs across the U.S. government, such as the NSA's own Terrorist Surveillance Program, formed to intercept phone calls and emails between the U.S. and overseas without a judge's approval when a link to al Qaeda is suspected
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A number of NSA employees have expressed concerns that the agency may be overstepping its authority by veering into domestic surveillance. And the constitutional question of whether the government can examine such a large array of information without violating an individual's reasonable expectation of privacy "has never really been resolved," said Suzanne Spaulding, a national-security lawyer who has worked for both parties on Capitol Hill.
Posted on 3/20/14 at 9:17 am to CptBengal
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.they still wouldnt be held to account.
They are not now!
To me, it could be that Snowden was a plant... a spy. You and I will never know that. What we do know is that Russia is now active and we don't appear to know if he had intel of importance.
Posted on 3/20/14 at 9:18 am to darkhorse
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Again, what he did by exposing the NSA program is fine. If he did indeed go to Russia, broker a deal for his safety that gave up assets world wide causing intel to dry up... Then yeah. He is a traitor.
I will actually have to see proof...as our government is a mendacious liar and since Obama rescinded a law around since the 40s that prohibited the US government from using propaganda on its citizens, no one should trust a word they say without written, documented, identifiable, and independently confirmed proof.
Posted on 3/20/14 at 9:22 am to CptBengal
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Obama rescinded a law around since the 40s that prohibited the US government from using propaganda on its citizens, no one should trust a word they say without written, documented, identifiable, and independently confirmed proof.
I have the same issue with that as you.
Posted on 3/20/14 at 9:25 am to Alahunter
USA today. 2006
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Snowden wasn't the first to expose NSA domestic spying. That being said, I didn't have a problem with him exposing the domestic spying program because there are serious Constitutional issues at play and he started a dialogue about it. Why I know he's a traitor is that he exposed details of US intelligence activities overseas, such as that we spying at a G8 summit and that Norway was helping us spy on Russia (which I've posted multiple times and no one seems to want to touch)
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Snowden wasn't the first to expose NSA domestic spying. That being said, I didn't have a problem with him exposing the domestic spying program because there are serious Constitutional issues at play and he started a dialogue about it. Why I know he's a traitor is that he exposed details of US intelligence activities overseas, such as that we spying at a G8 summit and that Norway was helping us spy on Russia (which I've posted multiple times and no one seems to want to touch)
Posted on 3/20/14 at 9:27 am to VOLhalla
Exactly! This was after in Russia.
Posted on 3/20/14 at 9:33 am to darkhorse
He also exposed that Sweden was helping us spy on Russia:
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Swedish television cited a document dated Apr. 18 this year saying Sweden's National Defense Radio Establishment (FRA), which conducts electronic communications surveillance, had helped in providing the United States with information on Russia. "The FRA provided NSA ... a unique collection on high-priority Russian targets, such as leadership, internal politics," it quoted the document saying. The FRA declined to comment on the matter.
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In a separate document, high level NSA employees were told to "thank Sweden for its continued work on the Russian target, and underscore the primary role that FRA plays as a leading partner to work the Russian target, including Russian leadership … and … counterintelligence."
Posted on 3/20/14 at 9:38 am to CptBengal
Snowden obviously let national secrets slip in his outing.
However, our gov't could have stopped this very simply, by any of these measures
a) Not lie to the american public about spying on us citizens
b) Not spy on US citizens
c) Actually protect whistleblowers when they whistleblow.
None of these are that unreasonable to expect our gov't to do, in fact, 20 years ago I think most americans would expect us to do all of these.
However, our gov't could have stopped this very simply, by any of these measures
a) Not lie to the american public about spying on us citizens
b) Not spy on US citizens
c) Actually protect whistleblowers when they whistleblow.
None of these are that unreasonable to expect our gov't to do, in fact, 20 years ago I think most americans would expect us to do all of these.
Posted on 3/20/14 at 9:39 am to Hawkeye95
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Snowden obviously let national secrets slip
obviously?
do you have a link?Posted on 3/20/14 at 9:44 am to CptBengal
I've linked several
Posted on 3/20/14 at 9:44 am to CptBengal
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obviously? do you have a link?
You have links in this thread. Links to reports of Snowden spilling the beans on the US spying on Russia.
That's a national security issue.
Posted on 3/20/14 at 9:48 am to darkhorse
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Links to reports of Snowden spilling the beans on the US spying on Russia.
But wait....you're telling me that US people should have known they were spying on us, but this came as surprise for Russia?
I love the mental gymnastics.Posted on 3/20/14 at 9:51 am to CptBengal
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But wait....you're telling me that US people should have known they were spying on us,
No. I never stated that.
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but this came as surprise for Russia?
No surprise to them. However, the manner and with whom was. All nations would expect to be spied on. All nations do not want that to happen. All nations try to stop that.
Snowden gave that up when he mentioned release information. Read the links.
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love the mental gymnastics.
Personally, I have always thought you above that type of comment. Am I mistaken?
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