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re: Snowden, Russia, and USA
Posted on 3/20/14 at 8:06 am to PrimeTime Money
Posted on 3/20/14 at 8:06 am to PrimeTime Money
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If Snowden only let the American people know about the NSA domestic spying, then he did the right thing.
But if he's giving information to an enemy, then frick that traitor.
My sentiments as well. He stole more information about specific US covert intelligence plans and military operations than he did information regarding domestic spying. He's a piece of shite and I won't blink an eye if he was brought back here and put in a cell for the rest of his life.
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Posted on 3/20/14 at 8:06 am to udtiger
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This post was edited on 3/20/14 at 8:25 am
Posted on 3/20/14 at 8:26 am to HubbaBubba
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quote:udtigerBalkans
You mean this?
Or do you mean this?
Posted on 3/20/14 at 8:31 am to jonboy
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Guess who Putin thinks is the Sick Man now?
The guy who learns everything from the nightly news...
Posted on 3/20/14 at 8:31 am to Lima Whiskey
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Snowden is no hero, he's a painfully naive fool.
This.
He's no hero for telling me the government is spying on our phones and computers I already knew that and everyone else should have assumed it as well. And he's naive for thinking it's gonna be any different in China or Russia.
Posted on 3/20/14 at 8:33 am to constant cough
Why should everyone assume the Gov't is spying on us? What logical thought process is behind that, when there are supposed to be Constitutional protections from the Gov't into private life.
Posted on 3/20/14 at 8:40 am to CptBengal
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he is a patriot. He saw the abuses, and trie to report them OVER AND OVER AND OVER AND OVER AND OVER AGAIN.
I felt the same way. At this point, if he gave up US strategic information, he is a traitor.
If not, then I agree. What he did was right.
Posted on 3/20/14 at 8:45 am to Alahunter
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Why should everyone assume the Gov't is spying on us? What logical thought process is behind that, when there are supposed to be Constitutional protections from the Gov't into private life.
I don't know common sense, not being naive. Phone lines have never been secure and neither has the internet.
Posted on 3/20/14 at 8:53 am to Alahunter
There were news reports years before Snowden about how the NSA was collecting megadata. He wasn't the first to expose this.
What he did do was expose U.S. intelligence to the world. For example, he exposed that Norway was helping the U.S, spy on Russia:
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Guy is a traitor.
What he did do was expose U.S. intelligence to the world. For example, he exposed that Norway was helping the U.S, spy on Russia:
LINK
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The document reveals the extent of the cooperation between the Norwegian intelligence service and the NSA. Surveillance of Russia is a major part of this. The document presents lists of what intelligence information the NIS provides to NSA and vice versa, and also mentions several «success stories» from the cooperation.
Guy is a traitor.
Posted on 3/20/14 at 8:55 am to VOLhalla
Why are you deflecting away from the question?
Why is it logical for people to think our Gov't is spying on them? And please, link the news reports from years before, stating how the NSA was spying on American citizens on the scale they were.
Why is it logical for people to think our Gov't is spying on them? And please, link the news reports from years before, stating how the NSA was spying on American citizens on the scale they were.
Posted on 3/20/14 at 8:58 am to darkhorse
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At this point, if he gave up US strategic information, he is a traitor.
there is NO link, data, proof, or anything that says he did...except for the propaganda of the US Government.
There is no proof he did anything except release the fact they were violating the constitution.
Yet, even in this thread, the sheeple appear to have bought into the MSM propaganda droning on and on about how he is a "traitor".
He is only a traitor to a government no longer bound by the constitution and our inalienable rights therein.
Posted on 3/20/14 at 8:58 am to constant cough
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Phone lines have never been secure and neither has the internet
Again, why should Americans assume our Gov't is spying on us?
Assuming our Gov't is breaching Constitutional protections, doesn't seem common sense and logical to me. It seems illegal and that those doing it should be held to the same standards you would like to see Snowden held to.
Posted on 3/20/14 at 8:59 am to Alahunter
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Why is it logical for people to think our Gov't is spying on them?
Because that's what governments do. Why is it logical for you to think otherwise? Because our government is good and would never do that?
Posted on 3/20/14 at 8:59 am to VOLhalla
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Snowden about how the NSA was collecting megadata
it's metadata...and no, nothing like what he revealed came out before.
hence why you had the head of the NSA lying to Congress.
...but keep defending a government that would sooner kill you than recognize your faithful obedience.
Posted on 3/20/14 at 9:01 am to constant cough
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Because that's what governments do. Why is it logical for you to think otherwise?
This little thing called the Constitution.
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Because our government is good and would never do that?
So your basic argument, is that our Gov't is evil and anyone opposed to it being evil should be held accountable...
Posted on 3/20/14 at 9:03 am to CptBengal
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it's metadata...and no, nothing like what he revealed came out before.
Right, sure. But just what the hell did people think the NSA was? I thought it was widely known that the NSA was the organization that listens in on phone calls, internet activity,etc.
A person would have to be naive to not think they were doing it on the scale that they are.
Posted on 3/20/14 at 9:06 am to constant cough
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I thought it was widely known that the NSA was the organization that listens in on phone calls, internet activity,etc.
You've been watching Enemy of the State too much.
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A person would have to be naive to not think they were doing it on the scale that they are
Again, what's naïve in expecting the Gov't to abide by the Constitution and not break laws? And why is it ok for them to oppress it's own citizens? And why shouldn't they be held to the same standard you wish to hold Snowden to? I again make the statement.. .your argument, is that our own Gov't is evil, and it should be expected to invade our privacy, violate our rights, and if someone opposes, they should be held accountable. Sounds quite Gestapo like to me.
Posted on 3/20/14 at 9:06 am to constant cough
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Right, sure. But just what the hell did people think the NSA was? I thought it was widely known that the NSA was the organization that listens in on phone calls, internet activity,etc.
Most people assumed the government wasnt wantonly violating civil liberties.Posted on 3/20/14 at 9:06 am to Alahunter
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This little thing called the Constitution.
Hasn't stopped them yet.
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So your basic argument, is that our Gov't is evil and anyone opposed to it being evil should be held accountable...
Those are your word. Any government over time can and will be corruptible if not held to account. But all governments spy, on each other and their own people as much as they can get away with. Sorry but it is naive to think otherwise.
Posted on 3/20/14 at 9:07 am to constant cough
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Any government over time can and will be corruptible if not held to account.
By your own words and argument, they shouldn't be, and those persons should disappear and be locked away.
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