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Slate: Beto O’Rourke Couldn’t Land a Punch at His Final Debate With Ted Cruz
Posted on 10/17/18 at 7:46 am
Posted on 10/17/18 at 7:46 am
If Slate says Cruz won then it must have been a blood bath.
This post was edited on 10/17/18 at 7:48 am
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Posted on 10/17/18 at 7:52 am to mule74
Article read as Cruz reaming Beto's arse. Good for him.
Posted on 10/17/18 at 7:53 am to mule74
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SAN ANTONIO, Texas—Rep. Beto O’Rourke made it about 13 minutes into the debate before he attempted to throw the aggressive punch at Sen. Ted Cruz that he’d been expected to throw. “Sen. Cruz is not going to be honest with you,” O’Rourke said, after Cruz suggested that the El Paso congressman’s concern over climate change was really a plot to seize “the power to control the economy.” “He’s going to make up positions and votes that I never held or have never taken,” O’Rourke said. “He’s dishonest. It’s why the president called him Lyin’ Ted, and it’s why the nickname stuck. Because it’s true.” Cruz laughed as O’Rourke said this. He laughed at just about every attack from O’Rourke all night, probably because he was ready for them. Just as O’Rourke had planned to call Cruz “Lyin’ Ted,” Cruz had a planned his response. “It’s clear Congressman O’Rourke’s pollsters have told him to come out on the attack,” Cruz said, in response to a question about whether Exxon-Mobil was correct in its view that policymakers should address the issue of climate change. “So if he wants to insult me and call me a liar, that’s fine. But as John Adams famously said, facts are stubborn things.” Returning to the facts, Cruz expanded on his view that “of course the climate is changing” as it has been “since the dawn of time.”
Posted on 10/17/18 at 7:54 am to CoachChappy
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Ted Cruz “won” the debate, the second and final of the much-watched campaign that was never all that close. Cruz won in the sense that O’Rourke needed to use the debate to change the trajectory of the race, and he couldn’t. O’Rourke always starts at a handicap: He is running as a liberal Democrat in Texas, which, despite oft-repeated rumors of turning blue, remains a blood-red state. All Cruz has to do is use combinations of “radical,” “liberal,” “socialist,” “illegal immigrant,” and “extremist,” over and over, and leave O’Rourke to negotiate the proper way to address direct questions about securing the borders or paying for Medicare for All. (On the former, it means talking about his work on enhancing data collection at ports of entry; on the latter, suggesting that he’ll settle for a Medicare buy-in on the insurance exchanges instead of going for the straight stuff.) Freezing numb in the adjacent, unheated warehouse of the television studio where the debate was held, I found myself lost in the variations of Cruz’s keywords. On abortion, O’Rourke represents the “extreme pro-abortion” side of the chasm; he “even” advocates for abortions for “illegal aliens.” (Two-for-one, there.) Worse yet: O’Rourke supports the same judges that Hillary Clinton supported. But are they even judges, or are they “left-wing judicial activists”?
Posted on 10/17/18 at 7:58 am to mule74
The soy boy got his arse handed to him 
MAGA
MAGA
Posted on 10/17/18 at 7:59 am to CoachChappy
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But I shouldn’t mock: Cruz is leading O’Rourke consistently by five to ten points in the many, many Texas polls that have come out in recent weeks, indicating that his strategy of casting O’Rourke as a far-left extremist in a center-right state is working. He stuck to it on Tuesday night, suffocating O’Rourke with so many allegations to respond to that he barely had the oxygen to tear Cruz apart.
Posted on 10/17/18 at 8:04 am to CoachChappy
A refusal to vote for flood aid isn’t an accusation, it is a fact.
Posted on 10/17/18 at 8:14 am to mule74
Cruz!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Posted on 10/17/18 at 8:17 am to mule74
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Posted on 10/17/18 at 8:37 am to mule74
I watched the debate.
Ted Cruz is the same Ted Cruz, he is a professional politician. That said, he has accomplished a great deal for Texans and has become a stalwart in the conservative brand and is constitutionally anchored like very few others.
Beto would be a household nationwide name except for one problem, this guy named Barack Obama. Beto, to me, appears to be identical to Barack Obama in that he is a wonderfully dramatic speaker who never says anything. He did not answer a single question last night, but gave “hope and change” type responses to everything. Wants Medicare for all, cannot begin to say how to pay for it. Wants to jack up taxes, cannot begin to say why or how much.
America went all in once on this type of guy before and it was an unmitigated disaster on every quantifiable level. Beto 12 years ago would have been a kingmaker, now he is the court jester imitating Obama’s schtick. There is a reason Obama won’t endorse him, I would be fascinated to know what it is.
Ted Cruz is the same Ted Cruz, he is a professional politician. That said, he has accomplished a great deal for Texans and has become a stalwart in the conservative brand and is constitutionally anchored like very few others.
Beto would be a household nationwide name except for one problem, this guy named Barack Obama. Beto, to me, appears to be identical to Barack Obama in that he is a wonderfully dramatic speaker who never says anything. He did not answer a single question last night, but gave “hope and change” type responses to everything. Wants Medicare for all, cannot begin to say how to pay for it. Wants to jack up taxes, cannot begin to say why or how much.
America went all in once on this type of guy before and it was an unmitigated disaster on every quantifiable level. Beto 12 years ago would have been a kingmaker, now he is the court jester imitating Obama’s schtick. There is a reason Obama won’t endorse him, I would be fascinated to know what it is.
Posted on 10/17/18 at 8:38 am to mule74
I watched ~15mins and got the gist and tuned out. Beto’s mistake (or perhaps, incapability) is that he avoided all policy questions and answered with platitudes and shots at Cruz. Cruz avoided talking policy a good bit, too, but an incumbent who isn’t unpopular can do that. If Beto wanted to win, the only way to win is to approach it with “Here’s Ted’s policy, and here’s why it sucks. Here’s mine, and here’s why it’s better.” He didn’t do that at all from what I watched, and my guess is because he can’t.
Posted on 10/17/18 at 8:40 am to mule74
Cruz did well just like the last time. Facts beat emotions. Beto looked like a super nervous and petulant child in the debates. Almost like a tweaker at times.
He did, however, do better than the idiot running against Abbott for governor. Holy hell her debate was so cringeworthy. Just nonsensical attack after attack.
He did, however, do better than the idiot running against Abbott for governor. Holy hell her debate was so cringeworthy. Just nonsensical attack after attack.
Posted on 10/17/18 at 8:41 am to 10MTNTiger
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Beto, to me, appears to be identical to Barack Obama in that he is a wonderfully dramatic speaker
Beto can’t hold a candle to Obama there. Obama was a fantastic speaker who spoke clearly and calmly. Beto looks like he needs his next fix with how much he moves and rocks back and forth.
Posted on 10/17/18 at 8:44 am to TH03
Yeah I will give you that, optically Beto is nowhere near Obama. But if you listen to what he is saying (close your eyes or don’t look at him) he sounds great and that’s why college kids fall all over themselves. He says everything without saying anything.
Posted on 10/17/18 at 8:44 am to 10MTNTiger
No you’re right. I just wanted to call him a tweaker again.
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Posted on 10/17/18 at 8:50 am to teke184
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A refusal to vote for flood aid isn’t an accusation, it is a fact.
I missed the debate.
Was that vote for flood assistance a stand alone bill, or a ploy that had a bunch of other unpalatable crap attached to it?
Posted on 10/17/18 at 8:51 am to TH03
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Posted on 10/17/18 at 8:51 am to TH03
Thats a fake pic, right?.....riiiight??
Posted on 10/17/18 at 8:52 am to 10MTNTiger
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Yeah I will give you that, optically Beto is nowhere near Obama. But if you listen to what he is saying (close your eyes or don’t look at him) he sounds great and that’s why college kids fall all over themselves. He says everything without saying anything.
He’s only popular with college kids and upper class white guilters
All those signs you see for Beto... you don’t see them in African American or Hispanic areas.
Posted on 10/17/18 at 8:53 am to TH03
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He did, however, do better than the idiot running against Abbott for governor. Holy hell her debate was so cringeworthy. Just nonsensical attack after attack.
Valdez wasn't that effective as Dallas County Sheriff (the county jail failed several inspections during her watch). In fact not only is she around 20 points behind, she's not even winning among Latinos (part of that is Abbott is married to a fairly hot Latino woman--Google Cecilia Abbott and you'll want).
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