re: Sky Screamers Rejoice! Senate votes to repeal the repeal of Net Neutrality

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I wasn't being railroaded prior to Obama's regulations. FCC regulations regarding gouging and collusion already address most of the issues that proponents of NN think they are solving.

Government regulation that creates barriers to entrance into the market is what is currently limiting competition. NN won't solve that. What needs to happen is less government regulation and allowing more companies into the ISP market so that you don't have to worry about being railroaded by anyone

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These NN guys want to take good ole baw networks to the highest level... And they think they are opening markets. Smdh.

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Please find one example of a potential ISP who listed this as their reason for not going forward.

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Okie dokie.

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“Even if the FCC decides to forbear from regulating [ISPs] from certain or many provisions of Title II in the near term, the fact that at any time it could implement additional rules under Title II jurisdiction creates uncertainty in the industry,” reads Comcast’s comments to the FCC.

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Bonus points if you can find, just one example, when NN was implemented and a company thus pulled out from building up infrastructure.

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Here is one that comcast has pledged to invest more without Title 2. That good enough for you?
LINK

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Here is one that comcast

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I wouldn't use them as an example trying to help your cause.

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I'm a big mystified how some people are ok with Google doing that, and ISP's being prevented from doing just that.

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Maybe we're not ok with either

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You used COMCAST!?!?!!



Bro, of course Comcast would say that in December of last year. They wanted Title II repealed. Find an up and coming ISP trying to break into the market. Not a current regional monopoly.

Good god, how stupid are you?

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I'm sorry, was that not an example of a provider using Title 2 as one of their big complaints? Is that not what you asked for?

I mean Verizon's lawsuit in 2013 was around Title 2 classification.



ETA: I just saw yours said "potential". I am on my phone and read over that part. So, follow up question, what does that have to do with my original point?

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I think not allowing ISPs to play games with the power granted to them due to government provided money or government provided monopolies means more freedoms.

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Freedom is when the government is not limiting what you can do. The more regulations, the less freedom. The less government regulation, the more freedom. That's just how it works.

Regarding monopolies, those are already (mostly) illegal and heavily regulated. NN doesn't do anything to address monopolies or oligopolies because it doesn't address barriers to the ISP market.

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The restrictions are very straight forward, and are only codification of what was already expected. The change occurred due to a market trend of ISPs abusing their power.

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If ISPs were already abiding by the restrictions, then why remove freedom of choice by adding more government regulation?

Lawsuits against ISPs who were being abusive with their power were very effective prior to NN was even a thing (legally, at least). More competition would solve that problem, anyway.

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BTW, every single front line champion of removing NN also starts foaming in the mouth at anyone entering “their” turf. I know of one case where they sued the state for not preventing a city from moving on a plan to offer municipal internet service in response to constantly shitty service provided by them.

AT&T and Comcast are NOT the champions of liberty.

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My ISP wasn't impacting my access to the internet or limiting the information I could see prior to NN. With NN in place, my access to the internet was being impacted and limited by companies like Google and Facebook. Fortunately, I'm able to get away from both of those companies due to competition. I'm not able to do much about my ISP due to lack of competition.

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Good god, how stupid are you?

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Well, ya know.........if you wanted him to find an upcoming ISP, you could have asked that.

It's kinda stupid to ask a question incorrectly and then bitch that someone didn't answer it the way you INTENDED to ask it(but failed)

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I cant argue with people who dont know what an ISP is, what it does, or how it is physically structured anymore.

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I can't discuss the issue with people who have no concept of a free market.

Instead of lollygagging around with title II, just nationalize the industry. It would be cheaper.

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paid prioritization is the death knell of open internet and free end user market

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Nah

But I give bonus points to your response because unlike 90% of the internet, you properly spelled "knell" instead of saying "death nail".