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re: Sky Screamers Rejoice! Senate votes to repeal the repeal of Net Neutrality
Posted on 5/17/18 at 10:10 am to RogerTheShrubber
Posted on 5/17/18 at 10:10 am to RogerTheShrubber
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What's preventing competition?
actual physical infrastructure is a pretty huge barrier to entry wouldn't you agree?
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Posted on 5/17/18 at 10:11 am to GeorgeTheGreek
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Actually it wasn’t. Go back and read my post again:
Just edited, I read over that. On my phone.
What does that have to do with my original point about the main reason ISPs are against the NN law is because of title 2 classification?
Posted on 5/17/18 at 10:11 am to RogerTheShrubber
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just nationalize the industry.
Totally different subject but that’s probably the future anyway.
Posted on 5/17/18 at 10:11 am to FooManChoo
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Regarding monopolies, those are already (mostly) illegal and heavily regulated.
My sweet summer child
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NN doesn't do anything to address monopolies or oligopolies because it doesn't address barriers to the ISP market.
Neither does removing it. All NN is is a consumer protection that ensures the internet continues to function as it was intended to function. Keeping or ditching it has no impact on the lack of competition in the ISP market. Those are separate issues. We cannot eliminate NN as long as there remains a lack of competition. Removing NN will not foster increased competition.
Posted on 5/17/18 at 10:12 am to bmy
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Net neutrality principles are now fantasy? Why?
Your desires are irrelevant to economics. What you WANT isn't a reason for policy. If it were, there would be nicer cars in my driveway right the frick now.
Posted on 5/17/18 at 10:12 am to GeorgeTheGreek
quote:So we're the retards because you didn't ask the question as you wanted to ask it?
Keep me coming, retards.
Posted on 5/17/18 at 10:12 am to GoCrazyAuburn
Besause if that were a real reason ISPs would thus be arguing for more competition.... which of course wouldn’t make sense.
Posted on 5/17/18 at 10:13 am to ShortyRob
I just quoted myself and you still missed it, ShortyBus.
Posted on 5/17/18 at 10:13 am to ShortyRob
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So?
So his claim that the democrats blocked republicans from passing legislation protecting net neutrality principles is false? I thought it was obvious.
Posted on 5/17/18 at 10:14 am to Breesus
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actual physical infrastructure is a pretty huge barrier to entry wouldn't you agree?
I agree. It's a barrier. Not an insurmountable one, but a barrier nonetheless.
So?
Posted on 5/17/18 at 10:14 am to RogerTheShrubber
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I can't discuss the issue with people who have no concept of a free market.
Explain to me how you would build and develop a new ISP from scratch in a free market beginning with raising capital to install enough infrastructure to reach a client base and then pricing yourself competitively against the existing regional monopolies.
How would you do that? How would de-regulating a regional monopoly suddenly make ISP competition explode?
Posted on 5/17/18 at 10:15 am to kingbob
quote:Just because a bunch of people went all kumbaya and declared "it is INTENDED!!!!" doesn't actually make that a very compelling idea.
Neither does removing it. All NN is is a consumer protection that ensures the internet continues to function as it was intended to function.
Posted on 5/17/18 at 10:16 am to olddawg26
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This is a good thing. Regardless of what some idiots think.
I am for many elements of net neutrality, but adamantly against using Title II to make it happen. Doesn't it scare you that the Left has sold this regulatory monstrosity as the only way to achieve fair Internet? Why not propose a clean bill? Why Title II? Why doesn't anyone from the Left talk about it it all? Europe achieves net neutrality through competition with the last mile. Why doesn't the Left advocate for that solution instead?
Posted on 5/17/18 at 10:18 am to ShortyRob
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ShortyRob
Are you real? Do your posts actually accurately represent you thoughts and beliefs?
Posted on 5/17/18 at 10:19 am to Breesus
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Explain to me how you would build and develop a new ISP from scratch in a free market beginning with raising capital to install enough infrastructure to reach a client base and then pricing yourself competitively against the existing regional monopolies.
How would you do that?
If, in 1998, a person on the internet couldn't conceptualize for you how he would, "from scratch" take on WalMart, that would definitely mean we should have considered it impossible
Posted on 5/17/18 at 10:20 am to Breesus
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Are you real? Do your posts actually accurately represent you thoughts and beliefs?
I've been on here since 2008.
If you were able to see every post I've ever posted, you would quickly note that I'm consistent as frick and completely transparent about what I think.
You would also note that if I do change my position, I say I've changed it and I say way.
You won't find a more straight shooting poster on this board. PERIOD.
Posted on 5/17/18 at 10:20 am to FooManChoo
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Freedom is when the government is not limiting what you can do. The more regulations, the less freedom. The less government regulation, the more freedom. That's just how it works.
Lawsuits against ISPs who were being abusive with their power were very effective prior to NN was even a thing (legally, at least). More competition would solve that problem, anyway.
The government regulating a corporation and making it illegal for them to dump chemicals or other harmful wastes in a manner that could cause harm to the public in no way infringes on your freedom..
And the enforcement you talked about was effective until a judge ruled in favor of ISPs in that the enforcement agency did not have the authority/jurisdiction to enforce any longer.
Posted on 5/17/18 at 10:20 am to ShortyRob
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Just because a bunch of people went all kumbaya and declared "it is INTENDED!!!!" doesn't actually make that a very compelling idea.
The whole functionality of the internet is based on open equal access. It allows anyone anywhere to have access to everyone everywhere. It allows people to start businesses in their mother's basement that can do sales in Nigeria, India, and Taiwan at will. It allows a blog post in Beirut to trigger a revolution.
Free, open, and equal access is the cornerstone of "the internet". To remove that cornerstone is to remove what makes the internet valuable and useful to all mankind.
Posted on 5/17/18 at 10:21 am to GeorgeTheGreek
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just nationalize the industry.
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Totally different subject but that’s probably the future anyway.
It's actually not.
Title II used to regulate NN and the industry is the equivalent of Obamacare on steroids.
It's government control of broadband under heavy regulation while allowing companies to make profits. It will make things more costly, limit competition and most likely hurt innovation.
It's a charade.
Posted on 5/17/18 at 10:21 am to bmy
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So his claim that the democrats blocked republicans from passing legislation protecting net neutrality principles is false? I thought it was obvious.
I was imply asking "so" to what you posted.
IE, so what? Define why it's bad.
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