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re: Sky Screamers Rejoice! Senate votes to repeal the repeal of Net Neutrality
Posted on 5/17/18 at 9:47 am to GeorgeTheGreek
Posted on 5/17/18 at 9:47 am to GeorgeTheGreek
quote:I'm sure they are myriad but probably chief among them is that most businessmen aren't SELECTIVELY smart economically like apparently some conservatives on this board are.
Why did ISPs lobby for Title II repeal knowing it would increase competition? What were their reasons?
I still chuckle at bringing up that ISPs hold a position, therefore, position = bad when corporations that DWARF those ISPs hold the opposing position.
You guys simultaneously go for the simple minded "big boy likey......therefore me no likey" while turning a blind eye to to all the big boys that no likey
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Posted on 5/17/18 at 9:47 am to ShortyRob
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People just want data to be treated equally.
I want a unicorn that arrives with a redhead, blonde and brunette with perfect 10 bodies that will do me whenever I say go.
One of these things is a realistic regulation that's a necessary counter to monopoly and the promotion of a free market, the other is meaningless unrealistic nonsense
Posted on 5/17/18 at 9:49 am to Breesus
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necessary counter to monopoly and the promotion of a free market,
Regulation under title II is nowhere near a free market.
Posted on 5/17/18 at 9:49 am to Breesus
quote:Nah.
One of these things is a realistic regulation that's a necessary
It's no different than people who want $15 an hour to flip burgers.
OF COURSE they do. That doesn't make it good policy.
Posted on 5/17/18 at 9:51 am to GeorgeTheGreek
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Why did ISPs lobby for Title II repeal knowing it would increase competition? What were their reasons?
Because they don't want to be regulated as a common carrier where the government can come in a set their rates. Title 2 takes away their ability to operate as a business. That has been their main reason they don't want the NN law as is. They will gladly welcome competition if it means they won't have the government regulating them as a common carrier.
Again, they were largely on board with an attempt to achieve exactly what you are wanting out of this, as long as it didn't involve Title 2.
Posted on 5/17/18 at 9:52 am to GoCrazyAuburn
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Because they don't want to be regulated as a common carrier where the government can come in a set their rates. Title 2 takes away their ability to operate as a business
Correct. It sounds like National Socialism.
Posted on 5/17/18 at 9:53 am to RogerTheShrubber
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Now, what increases competition? Are you for price regulation?
Google Fiber is spreading under current Title II regulations. It seems the larger issue is barriers to market based off of current infrastructure - not Title II. Hard for small companies to invest enough to compete with Cox, Time Warner, etc.
And I’m all for price regulation when there is a monopoly or regional monopolies. Otherwise consumers can get fricked.
Posted on 5/17/18 at 9:54 am to Draconian Sanctions
quote:No. I don't care what's best for Wall Street and corporate executives. I care what's best for the consumer, which is a more free and open market where businesses compete for my business by offering me better goods and services for less money. That happens through competition not government regulation.
Lol no. You want what’s best for Wall Street and Corporate executives, which often is diametrically opposed to what’s best for the consumer.
quote:Neither. I know how the ISPs work at a high level and know the struggles of breaking in to the market. Aside from cost, one of the greatest barriers to getting started is the permitting process by local governments to actually build the infrastructure via laying cable, etc.
Lulz, in this case you either
A) Don’t know anything about how the ISP business works or
B) Do know and are just shilling for your corporate oligarch overlords
The infrastructure necessary to start up an ISP can be disruptive and require a lot of permits and oversight from the governments to ensure other utilities aren't impacted. It can be a pain so they may not likely grant access for other competitors to come in. Local governments essentially control which ISPs can even get into the market. Working on cost-sharing deals with prospective ISPs can assist with that so that taxpayers aren't having to foot the bill for new ISPs joining up.
Like I said, there is a lot of money to be made in the ISP business and there are plenty of people and companies willing to invest in it. We just need to get government out of the way as much as possible and there are various ways to do that.
I'm also not shilling for anyone. I'm a proponent of free-market capitalism with very minimal regulation and am always looking for ways to keep government out of the economy. I believe that a free and open market ultimately benefits the consumers.
Posted on 5/17/18 at 9:54 am to bmy
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quote:
the constitution regulates
:muchbiggerboom:
You're fricking retarded. Sorry to be so blunt.
You want government regulation of the people. The Constitution is the exact opposite of what you stand for, and you claim it does what you stand for. Sorry, only extra chromosomes can explain that.
Posted on 5/17/18 at 9:55 am to GoCrazyAuburn
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Title 2 takes away their ability to operate as a business.
Ridiculous. There are literally thousands of companies that operate as a business under Title 2 regulations.
Posted on 5/17/18 at 9:55 am to GeorgeTheGreek
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Google Fiber is spreading under current Title II regulations. It seems the larger issue is barriers to market based off of current infrastructure - not Title II. Hard for small companies to invest enough to compete with Cox, Time Warner, etc.
You just described every business sector in the history of ever.........
Posted on 5/17/18 at 9:56 am to GoCrazyAuburn
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Because they don't want to be regulated as a common carrier where the government can come in a set their rates.
Please find one example of a potential ISP who listed this as their reason for not going forward. Bonus points if you can find, just one example, when NN was implemented and a company thus pulled out from building up infrastructure.
Posted on 5/17/18 at 9:57 am to ShortyRob
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You just described every business sector in the history of ever.........
Glad we agree that it’s not a Title II specific problem.
Posted on 5/17/18 at 9:57 am to dawgfan24348
quote:I wasn't being railroaded prior to Obama's regulations. FCC regulations regarding gouging and collusion already address most of the issues that proponents of NN think they are solving.
You think repealing Net Neutrality means more freedom? Have fun getting railroaded by the major internet companies
Government regulation that creates barriers to entrance into the market is what is currently limiting competition. NN won't solve that. What needs to happen is less government regulation and allowing more companies into the ISP market so that you don't have to worry about being railroaded by anyone.
Posted on 5/17/18 at 9:58 am to ShortyRob
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You just described every business sector in the history of ever.........
You think ISPs barriers to entry and the struggle to increase competition is just a run of the mill business issue no different from any other industry?
Posted on 5/17/18 at 9:58 am to GeorgeTheGreek
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Please find one example of a potential ISP who listed this as their reason for not going forward.
Holy frick.
Please provide the carrier "list of reasons" that includes yours?
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Bonus points if you can find, just one example, when NN was implemented and a company thus pulled out from building up infrastructure.
Wow. You discovered that even in hostile business environments, businesses STILL seek to do well.
Up next boys and girls. When drowning, people still try to swim!!!
Posted on 5/17/18 at 9:59 am to FooManChoo
That’s funny, Google is expanding Google Fiber yet is in favor of Title II. Seems odd since that would be a massive barrier for them.
Posted on 5/17/18 at 9:59 am to Breesus
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You think ISPs barriers to entry and the struggle to increase competition is just a run of the mill business issue no different from any other industry?
There's no such thing as "run of the mill".
I think economics applies always.
Because it does.
Posted on 5/17/18 at 9:59 am to FooManChoo
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Government regulation that creates barriers to entrance into the market is what is currently limiting competition.
I cant argue with people who dont know what an ISP is, what it does, or how it is physically structured anymore.
Posted on 5/17/18 at 10:00 am to GeorgeTheGreek
quote:I don't oppose Title II for any reason related to mom and pop not being able to compete with big dogs.
Glad we agree that it’s not a Title II specific problem.
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