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re: Sitting in a bar at O'Hare with a MAGA bartender
Posted on 5/26/18 at 10:00 pm to crazy4lsu
Posted on 5/26/18 at 10:00 pm to crazy4lsu
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This is blatantly untrue. Generally you need to be in professional situation by age 8 to make it, and by age 8 you need to have been playing with your local team since you were 4 or 5. This is to make it at the top level. It takes a lot of time to develop skills and commit them to muscle memory. It's actually a complicated process with differing solutions, broken up into different models, namely the Federation model, where the football federation of a country controls youth instruction, or the club-model.
I'll always believe that if every major school offered a full field of soccer scholarships, you'd have the culture to make soccer work here to rival the Academy systems around the world. Title IX fricks everything.
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Posted on 5/26/18 at 10:00 pm to omegaman66
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Nothing wrong with soccer.
Nothing right with it either.
Posted on 5/26/18 at 10:04 pm to FinebaumsHair
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The bartender told him this is America and we don't watch that shite.
Bartender sounds like douche. I don’t like soccer either but no need to act all pissy towards it.
Also what makes you think Trump hates soccer?
This post was edited on 5/26/18 at 10:08 pm
Posted on 5/26/18 at 10:04 pm to omegaman66
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Nothing wrong with soccer.
Except the whole gay part
Posted on 5/26/18 at 10:05 pm to olddawg26
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LeBron respects Messi,
Nobody respects leFag
Posted on 5/26/18 at 10:05 pm to RD Dawg
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They have 40 million people there so we'd be "shocked" to find conservatives among the 40 million?
What exactly do you mean by "anywhere in the deep south"?Another state or the entire region?
Any state in general. There are almost 4.5 million Republicans in the state of California. It just drives me crazy that most of the south thinks that the entire state of California is made of up hardcore letists. Not everyone is from the Bay area.
This post was edited on 5/26/18 at 10:07 pm
Posted on 5/26/18 at 10:08 pm to TeLeFaWx
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We tend to think that our American athletes would dominate at soccer if they tried, since we have the best athletes in the world, but it would be a lot more Jerry Rice types than anything
Well it would be even less like Jerry Rice. Rice is 6'2, which is at the top end for a soccer player. There is a large cross-section of American men who are under 6' who aren't necessarily targets for the NFL, NBA, or MLB and who have to be won over by soccer. And fast-twitch athletes can do well in soccer, but the problem was that for a long time, training regimens were tailored, unknowingly, to those who had endurance, which lead to a lot of muscle issues in players with fast-twitch muscle profiles. This might not be a problem going forward because teams can tailor training regimens to fit the needs of players.
But there is a massive base of young American athletes who would be perfect for soccer, but aren't selected because of pay to play. And I played with so many who I now see needed seasoning of the right type, tactical instruction and understanding, what to do without the ball, etc.
The Icelandic system has produced professional players at such a rate that something like 7 per 100,000 people is a professional soccer player. which is an unbelievable ratio. They have a population of 300,000. They don't have youth leagues even. What they do have is early professionalization of coaching. That is the key to development, not some poor kid playing in the street.
Posted on 5/26/18 at 10:11 pm to TeLeFaWx
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I'll always believe that if every major school offered a full field of soccer scholarships, you'd have the culture to make soccer work here to rival the Academy systems around the world. Title IX fricks everything.
No the NCAA model is detrimental. By 18 you need to be playing against grown men. When players leave college they are 22 to 23. By that time, kids in Africa, Europe, and South America have been professionals for 5 to 6 years. Early professionalization is the answer. You would need just one mid-size city to offer programs or something (with the federation funding it) to produce professional quality players.
The NCAA model is a great fallback option for kids who aren't ready to be professional. It can't be the only model in America.
Posted on 5/26/18 at 10:12 pm to SippingOnPurple
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The champions league final? Sounds like the bartender is a douche
This.
Posted on 5/26/18 at 10:17 pm to FinebaumsHair
People who actually think soccer is some un-American fig sport are, IMO, almost as unbearable as far lefty SJW's.
Bartender seems like a douche. It's basically the European Superbowl of soccer. It's not like he asked him to put on some obscure league game.
Bartender seems like a douche. It's basically the European Superbowl of soccer. It's not like he asked him to put on some obscure league game.
This post was edited on 5/27/18 at 9:40 am
Posted on 5/26/18 at 10:20 pm to olddawg26
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the lack of goals. The ties. And the flopping. And the general lack of understanding the rules and flow of the game.
The flopping can be annoying but it’s been reigned in a little in recent years. I think though that some things that get blamed on flopping are actually painful. Football players get nicked up they get to leave the game and come back after a hit of local pain killer and cortisol. Not so much in soccer.
Posted on 5/26/18 at 10:46 pm to FinebaumsHair
I really don't care for soccer but never understood the knee jerk hate. And a lot of it feels forced like people hate on it because they think that's what they're supposed to do and it somehow proves their patriotism.
I understand fricking with soccer fans because they can be terribly annoying and sometimes I do that too but the actual hate seems misguided.
I understand fricking with soccer fans because they can be terribly annoying and sometimes I do that too but the actual hate seems misguided.
Posted on 5/26/18 at 10:49 pm to crazy4lsu
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No the NCAA model is detrimental. By 18 you need to be playing against grown men. When players leave college they are 22 to 23. By that time, kids in Africa, Europe, and South America have been professionals for 5 to 6 years
The NCAA model wasn't detrimental to LeBron. The true stars will go pro early, but we need a culture that doesn't pull out financial backing and interest the second sports that have scholarships available down the line start letting kids play in middle school and high school.
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Early professionalization is the answer. You would need just one mid-size city to offer programs or something (with the federation funding it) to produce professional quality players.
That's the beauty of the NCAA model. As long as their is public interest, the citizens will create early professionals with their own financial backing. Look at club baseball. You really think that wouldn't happen with soccer? It would absolutely happen.
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The NCAA model is a great fallback option for kids who aren't ready to be professional. It can't be the only model in America.
The NCAA model is the best way to get active participation from the citizens at an early level. There are NCAA women's basketball coaches that make more money than EPL managers. And the NCAA model doesn't even interfer with what your dreams are, it would just prime the culture.
This post was edited on 5/26/18 at 10:50 pm
Posted on 5/26/18 at 10:55 pm to Wildcat In Germany
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Any state in general
More than Texas? 4.5 million isn't a whole lot out of a population of 40+ million.Yea and I get that a considerable amount is under 18.
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most of the south thinks that the entire state of California is made of up hardcore letists.
You know this how?I Honestly never polled "most of the south"on anything.
Posted on 5/26/18 at 10:58 pm to FinebaumsHair
Good god if it was the Champions League final that game has like 3x the viewership of the Super Bowl. Bartender sounds like an a-hole.
Posted on 5/26/18 at 11:00 pm to RD Dawg
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4.5 million isn't a whole lot out of a population of 40+ million.
Here's the breakdown. It's still heavily dominated by D voters but not to the extent that a lot of people pretend:
Registered voters 18,055,783
Democratic 7,932,373 43.9%
Republican 5,225,675 28.9%
Posted on 5/26/18 at 11:12 pm to TeLeFaWx
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The NCAA model wasn't detrimental to LeBron
He avoided entirely. We can work with a NCAA system, but pay to play is the reason we are losing out on lots of talent. Other federations are able to fund either finishing schools or fund top down initiatives for clubs to produce players they want.
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You really think that wouldn't happen with soccer? It would absolutely happen.
The NCAA model is what we've used and we haven't been successful relative to our size and resources. We are literally the only nation to try it this way. The players we do produce are usually better athletes than Europeans, but lack technical skills. The NCAA's limitation on practice to 20 hours a week is a real detriment, as players in club systems are getting professional level coaching from a young age, from certified coaches with badges. We do a massive disservice to the players who do develop by not developing them properly, as they miss out on large paychecks, which feeds into a cycle where the sport in the US (until this last decade), can't find the funds to develop kids the way they should. The club system in Europe is superior in pretty much every way save for the fact they don't tie college education to it.
There is never been a system developed that doesn't have major funding from a federation. The evidence for top down funding/instruction is overwhelming. France in 1988, Germany in 2000, Belgium in 2000 and Iceland om the mid-90's. You also have the club model, seen primarily in Spain, Italy, and the Netherlands. Those also relied on top down instruction from federations. Working with an institution like the NCAA, committed nominally to amateurism, is the wrong direction for U-21 soccer in this country. You are working with another institution which places limits on the time a player can be coached. That by itself should disqualify it from being anything but the auxiliary system used to provide a path to free education.
Posted on 5/26/18 at 11:13 pm to FinebaumsHair
I love watching soccer, especially at 6 am over ESPN replays
Posted on 5/26/18 at 11:17 pm to omegaman66
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Nothing wrong with soccer
Posted on 5/26/18 at 11:22 pm to crazy4lsu
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The NCAA model is what we've used and we haven't been successful relative to our size and resources.
No we haven't. Soccer is the favorite sport of 18-34 year olds in this country. How many SEC schools offer men's soccer scholarships? If we actually "used" the NCAA model, and by using I mean eliminate scholarship limits and Title IX restrictions so every SEC school offered a full ride for 18 athletes, there would be more fans going to to soccer games than basketball games at the majority of SEC schools this upcoming school year, I 100% guarantee it.
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