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Should education be compulsory?
Posted on 5/14/20 at 9:51 pm
Posted on 5/14/20 at 9:51 pm
should the government be able to tell you that your children must be formally educated(by whatever means e.g. homeschool, public or otherwise) to a certain degree that is regulated by the government?
or should you be allowed to forego a formal education of any kind for your child?
or should you be allowed to forego a formal education of any kind for your child?
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Posted on 5/14/20 at 9:56 pm to Masterag
Absolutely.
Have you interacted with the service industry? Did you realize they can vote?
Have you interacted with the service industry? Did you realize they can vote?
Posted on 5/14/20 at 10:00 pm to Masterag
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Should education be compulsory?
Absolutely not. It shouldn't be funded or controlled by government either.
And to the other poster that talked about the ignorance of voters....they were "educated" in government schools, by compulsion.
Posted on 5/14/20 at 10:03 pm to Coughlin
Who puts them in charge. 
Jesus, man. What more proof do you need that government compulsion of "education" has been a massive failure?
Jesus, man. What more proof do you need that government compulsion of "education" has been a massive failure?
Posted on 5/14/20 at 10:05 pm to stuntman
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they were "educated" in government schools, by compulsion.
Now imagine if they weren't.
Posted on 5/14/20 at 10:05 pm to Coughlin
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The problem isn't the concept
in this particular scenario or across the board.
Posted on 5/14/20 at 10:07 pm to Green Chili Tiger
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Now imagine if they weren't.
Then we wouldn't have a nation filled to the brim w/ government indoctrinated drones who believe it's government's job to "take care" of them.
Learning HOW to think, instead of being told WHAT to think would be the norm, not the other way around like it is now.
Posted on 5/14/20 at 10:07 pm to Masterag
This is a subject about which I am kind of a crank.
My answer is absolutely not. For many reasons, but the chief among them being the simple and obvious fact that you cannot compel a person to become educated.
You can compel attendance at school, but that's not the same by a long shot.
Case in point, by the DOE's own numbers, 19% of high school graduates are illiterate. Almost 1 in 5.
If a child's parents do not value education the child will not learn. Period. Whether he or she has perfect attendance at school k-12 or not.
You can't make parents care or children learn. So what you end up with when you have a policy of universal public compulsory education is large numbers of kids taking resources from and disrupting other kids who do want to learn.
Secondly, what if you don't want your kids to learn what the government says they should learn?
Third, what right does the government have to force that upon people in the first place? There are all kinds of stuff that they could force citizens to do for the good of the country...they could force adults to show proof that they spent an hour a day in the gym, for example. Since 2/3 of the country is overweight or obese, that would be a public good. But it's also a damn egregious violation of individual freedom.
Fourth, the tradition of making schools into day care centers is obsolete. I would think this pandemic lockdown would have proven that going to a school building 8 hours a day should be obsolete by now. At least past elementary school, anyway.
There's absolutely no reason that course material couldn't be posted online for anyone to access. Those who wanted to learn could do so and those who didn't, wouldn't. And it would be the same as it is now except we'd save a whole lot of taxpayer money.
My answer is absolutely not. For many reasons, but the chief among them being the simple and obvious fact that you cannot compel a person to become educated.
You can compel attendance at school, but that's not the same by a long shot.
Case in point, by the DOE's own numbers, 19% of high school graduates are illiterate. Almost 1 in 5.
If a child's parents do not value education the child will not learn. Period. Whether he or she has perfect attendance at school k-12 or not.
You can't make parents care or children learn. So what you end up with when you have a policy of universal public compulsory education is large numbers of kids taking resources from and disrupting other kids who do want to learn.
Secondly, what if you don't want your kids to learn what the government says they should learn?
Third, what right does the government have to force that upon people in the first place? There are all kinds of stuff that they could force citizens to do for the good of the country...they could force adults to show proof that they spent an hour a day in the gym, for example. Since 2/3 of the country is overweight or obese, that would be a public good. But it's also a damn egregious violation of individual freedom.
Fourth, the tradition of making schools into day care centers is obsolete. I would think this pandemic lockdown would have proven that going to a school building 8 hours a day should be obsolete by now. At least past elementary school, anyway.
There's absolutely no reason that course material couldn't be posted online for anyone to access. Those who wanted to learn could do so and those who didn't, wouldn't. And it would be the same as it is now except we'd save a whole lot of taxpayer money.
Posted on 5/14/20 at 10:08 pm to Green Chili Tiger
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Have you interacted with the service industry? Did you realize they can vote?
you sound like a leftist. you know what's best, right? there are dumb and intelligent people in all walks of life.
Posted on 5/14/20 at 10:10 pm to Masterag
Nothing should be compulsory.
Posted on 5/14/20 at 10:11 pm to Masterag
School shouldn't be. It's a day prison for kids.
Posted on 5/14/20 at 10:11 pm to Coughlin
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Posted on 5/14/20 at 10:12 pm to Coughlin
The damn white liberals! They just make me so dadgum angry!!1!
This post was edited on 5/14/20 at 10:14 pm
Posted on 5/14/20 at 10:13 pm to Masterag
Hell, nah, man. We don't need none of that reading, writin' and 'rithmetics. Every child in 'Merica should be able choose themselves whether they need an edumacation.
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Posted on 5/14/20 at 10:13 pm to Coughlin
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Posted on 5/14/20 at 10:15 pm to Masterag
No way. Let people who want to be there, be there. Let people make their own choices, but face the consequences of their actions. People with common sense don’t need a law telling them to go to school. They go because they want to learn and build a career in the future. But when you look at what education has become since the 1970s when education was nationalized, it makes sense that the government would want to force you to go. Because they can control what you learn and how you think.
This post was edited on 5/14/20 at 10:19 pm
Posted on 5/14/20 at 10:16 pm to Masterag
Way back when it didn’t matter cause an uneducated person could work with their hands all their lives but it’s not like that now.
Schooling does not always build character or intelligence.
Schooling does not always build character or intelligence.
Posted on 5/14/20 at 10:16 pm to Saint Alfonzo
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Posted on 5/14/20 at 10:17 pm to wackatimesthree
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This is a subject about which I am kind of a crank.
My answer is absolutely not. For many reasons, but the chief among them being the simple and obvious fact that you cannot compel a person to become educated.
You can compel attendance at school, but that's not the same by a long shot.
Case in point, by the DOE's own numbers, 19% of high school graduates are illiterate. Almost 1 in 5.
If a child's parents do not value education the child will not learn. Period. Whether he or she has perfect attendance at school k-12 or not.
You can't make parents care or children learn. So what you end up with when you have a policy of universal public compulsory education is large numbers of kids taking resources from and disrupting other kids who do want to learn.
Secondly, what if you don't want your kids to learn what the government says they should learn?
Third, what right does the government have to force that upon people in the first place? There are all kinds of stuff that they could force citizens to do for the good of the country...they could force adults to show proof that they spent an hour a day in the gym, for example. Since 2/3 of the country is overweight or obese, that would be a public good. But it's also a damn egregious violation of individual freedom.
Fourth, the tradition of making schools into day care centers is obsolete. I would think this pandemic lockdown would have proven that going to a school building 8 hours a day should be obsolete by now. At least past elementary school, anyway.
There's absolutely no reason that course material couldn't be posted online for anyone to access. Those who wanted to learn could do so and those who didn't, wouldn't. And it would be the same as it is now except we'd save a whole lot of taxpayer money.
very well articulated. by principle i must agree with you lest i betray myself, though my knee jerk reaction is one of caution and fear of unknown consequences in the short term. but in the end, i think it would make people take sex a lot more seriously when they think about the consequences of having to be responsible for the total care and wellbeing of another person for the next 18 years with no help from the government nanny.
Posted on 5/14/20 at 10:20 pm to Coughlin
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It's not the schools that are doing the indoctrination, per se. Its by far the media.. The media drives the narratives, tells you what is allowed and what views are now "politically incorrect"
schools teach people how to memorize, not how to think. people who don't know how to think believe media narratives. hand in glove.
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