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re: Shedding occurring with Measles RNA vax?
Posted on 2/27/25 at 12:29 pm to SammyTiger
Posted on 2/27/25 at 12:29 pm to SammyTiger
The one thing I’ve learned in this thread is that people will die on the hill of semantics if there’s even a possibility someone might be criticizing mRNA even if it’s not mentioned at all.
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Posted on 2/27/25 at 12:30 pm to LSUGrrrl
semantics mean a lot when you are talking about an article that’s is clearly meant to fear monger.
Posted on 2/27/25 at 12:32 pm to Night Vision
So not unvaccinated migrants but actually vaccinated people spreading it?
Posted on 2/27/25 at 12:32 pm to LSUGrrrl
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It has to be autism. I don’t know why I even tried to explain for so long
The reason I debated that point is because it lumps a more traditional type of vaccine with the recent debate over mRNA vaccines. Many LAV vaccines are very effective, safe, long lasting and extensively studied over a long period of time. The Covid mRNA vaccines, on the other hand, were issued under an EUA, widely used and in some cases mandated without adequate safety or efficacy data being made available, IMO. I don't like how that was done, but don't want to see all vaccines lumped into that mRNA vaccine discussion. The terminology is important because people don't always understand what's being discussed.
This post was edited on 2/27/25 at 12:34 pm
Posted on 2/27/25 at 12:33 pm to SammyTiger
Holy Pearl Clutching, Batman.
It cited a study.
It asked if the study could point toward spread.
That’s it.
That’s all.
It’s an obvious question about if further study needs to be done. You know, Science.
Calm down.
It cited a study.
It asked if the study could point toward spread.
That’s it.
That’s all.
It’s an obvious question about if further study needs to be done. You know, Science.
Calm down.
Posted on 2/27/25 at 12:33 pm to dgnx6
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So not unvaccinated migrants but actually vaccinated people spreading it?
Don't know, that is the question the article is asking.
Also asking if those reporting the outbreak properly tested to see if the outbreak patients positive tests were actually false-positives from the vaccine shedding and the outbreak isn't as bad as initially being reported.
This post was edited on 2/27/25 at 12:35 pm
Posted on 2/27/25 at 12:34 pm to wdhalgren
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He called it an "RNA vax". It's an attenuated live virus vaccine. The mRNA vaccines, like used in Covid, deliver an RNA molecule, not an attenuated virus.
Jesus
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Measles is caused by a single-stranded RNA virus. This means that the genetic material of the measles virus is RNA, not DNA.
Posted on 2/27/25 at 12:36 pm to SammyTiger
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semantics mean a lot when you are talking about an article that’s is clearly meant to fear monger.
But you believed a close group of Mennonites spread Measels to 9 counties in texas, areas of New Mexico, and Chicago.
Yeah, no fear mongering there.
Posted on 2/27/25 at 12:39 pm to dgnx6
Since apparently nobody wanted to read to the end of the article, I'll post their summation by itself. Sounds like the opposite of fear mongering 
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Final Verdict: Measles Vaccine Sheds—Confirmed
This new study adds to the growing body of evidence proving measles vaccines shed virus for weeks after administration.
The implications of this are profound: vaccinated individuals can carry and release vaccine-derived measles RNA, which could be affecting outbreak data and measles case classifications worldwide.
Health authorities must be transparent and acknowledge the role of vaccine shedding in measles epidemiology.
Posted on 2/27/25 at 12:39 pm to GoCrazyAuburn
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Don't know, that is the question the article is asking.
Apparently all science is “settled” now. No further research or questions allowed!
Posted on 2/27/25 at 12:41 pm to wdhalgren
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The reason I debated that point is because it lumps a more traditional type of vaccine with the recent debate over mRNA vaccines.
The reason I opposed was for the exact same reason.
Posted on 2/27/25 at 12:47 pm to omegaman66
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Polar bears have been around for millions of years.
The hell you say. The oldest fossil bone of a polar bear is 130,000 years.
Posted on 2/27/25 at 1:01 pm to GoCrazyAuburn
Here are some quotes from
the article.
The byline
Not a question. Statement.
Again, not a question, that’s a statement.
I don't know how you can call this article anything but fear mongering.
I also cannot find a study that says this. There is a 2014 study that found someone with multiple
doses who still got measles and transmitted it to other who had a history of either measles or measles vaccination.
It didn’t discuss how recent their vaccinations were. which is significantly different from the claim in the article.
the article.
The byline
quote:
Evidence mounts that vaccinated children could be silently fueling measles outbreaks.
Not a question. Statement.
quote:
Proof That Vaccinated Individuals Can Spread Measles
Again, not a question, that’s a statement.
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The Bigger Question: Can Vaccine Shedding Lead To Spread? The evidence is overwhelming. The measles vaccine does shed, and its RNA can be detected in children for weeks. The CDC, FDA, and vaccine manufacturers have acknowledged live-virus vaccines have the potential to shed, yet health authorities continue to claim that only unvaccinated individuals pose a risk of transmission.
I don't know how you can call this article anything but fear mongering.
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Moreover, a 2014 study in Clinical Infectious Diseases provided direct evidence that recently vaccinated individuals transmitted measles to others.
I also cannot find a study that says this. There is a 2014 study that found someone with multiple
doses who still got measles and transmitted it to other who had a history of either measles or measles vaccination.
It didn’t discuss how recent their vaccinations were. which is significantly different from the claim in the article.
This post was edited on 2/27/25 at 1:14 pm
Posted on 2/27/25 at 1:07 pm to Night Vision
The measles virus is single-stranded, negative-sense RNA genome. The genome is about 15,900 nucleotides long.
RNA itself can’t function as a virus. It need viral proteins (already inactivated during the vaccine preparation) to function as a virus.
There is a sonication, which breakdown the RNA, during MMR vaccine preparation.
The study use PCR, which only detect small fragments of the viral RNA. There is no evident of shedding of the RNA genome.
RNA itself can’t function as a virus. It need viral proteins (already inactivated during the vaccine preparation) to function as a virus.
There is a sonication, which breakdown the RNA, during MMR vaccine preparation.
The study use PCR, which only detect small fragments of the viral RNA. There is no evident of shedding of the RNA genome.
Posted on 2/27/25 at 1:10 pm to SammyTiger
quote:
Proof That Vaccinated Individuals Can Spread Measles
Again, not a question, that’s a statement.
Jesus christ.
That is the title of a subsection of the article, where they post previous studies that show evidence of this being potentially possible and the reasons why. It is okay, just admit you didn't initially read the article, you just skimmed for headlines like you criticized others of doing.
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Evidence mounts that vaccinated children could be silently fueling measles outbreaks.
Not a question. Statement.
Not a statement!
It very well may be, which is what the article is asking. If they aren't adequately accouting for the vaccine shed when testing, the "outbreak numbers" may very well be overly inflated with false positives, thus fueling the outbreaks.
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I don't know how you can call this article anything but fear mongering.
I know you cant.
This post was edited on 2/27/25 at 1:15 pm
Posted on 2/27/25 at 1:18 pm to GoCrazyAuburn
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That is the title of a subsection of the article, where they post previous studies that show evidence of this being potentially possible the reasons why.
the problem is none of those studies actually prove that.
90% of the article mischaracterizing studies as proof that people who got the MMR vaccine are spreading measles. The authors isn’t just asking a question. He’s made several statements of purported fact that aren’t true.
Posted on 2/27/25 at 1:26 pm to LSUGrrrl
quote:Then that would be a mistaken interpretation as well. First off, measles is an RNA virus. That is why RNA is noted with attenuated shedding.
I think he posted the article as a possible explanation for the recent outbreak
Shed post-vax measles is an attenuated (weakened) version, not regular measles. Post-vax transmission is very rare. Even if transmitted, it does not result in actual measles or serious illness in healthy people. I'd add, there is theoretical risk of more serious SxSx for immunocompromised individuals both with vaccination and contraction.
This post was edited on 2/27/25 at 1:28 pm
Posted on 2/27/25 at 1:28 pm to SammyTiger
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the problem is none of those studies actually prove that.
And the article never said they did. They sited exactly one study that provided evidence of recently vaccinated people transmitting to others. The rest is them discussing reasons why they think the vaccine could be transmitting the deasease. Glad we are caught up.
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90% of the article mischaracterizing studies as proof that people who got the MMR vaccine are spreading measles.
No, 90% of the article characterizes the studies as proof that the vaccine sheds the virus. Which they do, but is largely ignored during outbreak testing, reporting, and discussions. Sorry you struggle with your reading comprehension.
The only one mischaracterizing things here is you.
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The study further clarifies that “vaccine RNA shedding is low” but persists long enough to complicate measles outbreak investigations.
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The study reinforces decades of evidence confirming that measles vaccines shed.
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The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) has previously admitted vaccine shedding occurs.
A 1995 CDC study found that 83% of vaccinated children shed measles virus in their urine.
Another 2012 study in Paediatrics & Child Health confirmed that a vaccinated child shed measles virus in their urine, as verified by nucleic acid testing.
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If vaccine-derived measles RNA is being detected in children up to four weeks after vaccination, it means that measles outbreaks could be driven—at least in part—by the vaccine itself.
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The question now is: If the vaccine strain virus is being shed, could it be capable of infecting others?
This study does not answer that question, but it does confirm that measles vaccine RNA persists in the body long after injection.
quote:
Final Verdict: Measles Vaccine Sheds—Confirmed
This new study adds to the growing body of evidence proving measles vaccines shed virus for weeks after administration.
The implications of this are profound: vaccinated individuals can carry and release vaccine-derived measles RNA, which could be affecting outbreak data and measles case classifications worldwide.
Health authorities must be transparent and acknowledge the role of vaccine shedding in measles epidemiology.
This post was edited on 2/27/25 at 1:30 pm
Posted on 2/27/25 at 1:30 pm to NC_Tigah
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Then that would be a mistaken interpretation as well. First off, measles is an RNA virus. That is why RNA is noted with attenuated shedding.
Agreed, as I’ve posted ad nauseam in this thread.
quote:
Shed post-vax measles is an attenuated (weakened) version, not regular measles. Post-vax transmission is very rare. Even if transmitted, it does not result in actual measles or serious illness in healthy people. I'd add, there is theoretical risk of more serious SxSx for immunocompromised individuals both with vaccination and contraction.
The article simply asked if further study should be done to see if the shedding can lead to transmission.
When did it become so controversial to suggest something be studied further?
Posted on 2/27/25 at 1:32 pm to LSUGrrrl
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The article simply asked if further study should be done to see if the shedding can lead to transmission.
Hell, that isn't even the main question they ask.
The main question is if they did adequate testing to make sure recently vaccinated were being accounted for as potential false positives in the outbreak numbers. Seems pretty damn reasonable question to ask as to not start a panic
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