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re: Sessions:Marijuana Is “Only Slightly Less Awful” Than Heroin
Posted on 3/15/17 at 7:06 pm to Dire Wolf
Posted on 3/15/17 at 7:06 pm to Dire Wolf
He's such a fricking idiot. Alcohol has ruined far more lives than marijuana could ever come close to ruining. The same goes for perfectly legal painkillers.
I've never heard of anyone whose life was ruined by smoking a joint a day. My wife has to prosecute people all the time who are hooked on booze or prescription meds though.
I've never heard of anyone whose life was ruined by smoking a joint a day. My wife has to prosecute people all the time who are hooked on booze or prescription meds though.
This post was edited on 3/15/17 at 7:07 pm
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Posted on 3/15/17 at 7:09 pm to CCTider
quote:
Technically, any drug is a gateway drug.
This is the right answer, the only answer. Those saying no are in complete denial.
However I have two younger relatives that graduated all the way to heroin. One is clean for 2 years now, the other not so much.
The one not clean started with weed(age 14), then alcohol(15), then mushrooms(20's), then all kinds of pills(not sure), then heroin(20's). Can't keep a job, though he may finally be off heroin, but still doing the rest in some form, but weed is his drug of choice by far. Wrecked many vehicles, but luckily hasn't hit another person....yet.
Sessions opinion is like his opinion, man. Big deal.
Legalization is coming, but it needs to be heavily regulated. Heavily!
Posted on 3/15/17 at 7:22 pm to Taurus
quote:I mean from a population level perspective, no is appropriate, especially since the outliers may have other factors that have a stronger influence.
This is the right answer, the only answer. Those saying no are in complete denial.
I mean you could argue that exercise, sleep, video games, etc. CAN BE gateway experiences to hard drugs, but again exceptions usually have unique things in play.
quote:But it's not really an opinion since it's a statement that can be refuted with facts and evidence. Of course, one could argue "slightly" gives him some subjective leeway, but in order for that be valid, then we must also include alcohol, nicotine, maybe even high corn fructose too.
Sessions opinion is like his opinion, man. Big deal.
quote:What do you mean by heavy? Like alcohol? I don't see why it should be more heavily regulated than that. In fact, given the archaic and nonsensical regulations regarding things like distribution in some states, you could argue that it doesn't need even that level of regulation.
Legalization is coming, but it needs to be heavily regulated. Heavily!
Posted on 3/15/17 at 7:32 pm to buckeye_vol
quote:
Like anything else, but your hippie comment brings up an important question related to the argument marijuana makes one lazy and worthless.
Does marijuana cause people to become lazy and worthless, or are lazy and worthless people more likely to also smoke marijuana.
I wasn't talking about marijuana.
And yeah, when you're high, you can, and probably will, get lazy. But then you take a nap, and wake up normal. As long as you don't stay high, it's not a problem. But like with any pleasurable thing (good, drugs, sex, etc), some people overindulge. But because some people are well willed, that doesn't mean anything regarding the average persons experience.
Posted on 3/15/17 at 7:51 pm to CCTider
Hell you bit on the 72 hours?
Hook, line and sinker, 3 days from a brownie -
take a 9x13 pan and half a pound of the good butter.
If any truth to be told, the friend lied about it just being some pot.
(RIP
(not t'be joking))
Hook, line and sinker, 3 days from a brownie -
take a 9x13 pan and half a pound of the good butter.
If any truth to be told, the friend lied about it just being some pot.
(RIP
(not t'be joking))
Posted on 3/15/17 at 7:59 pm to Dire Wolf
There is only one true and common sense statement about the drug war.
And if a politician won't acknowledge it, I have no respect for them.
"The war on drugs has been a 50 year crime against humanity...That very few question due to propaganda."
And if a politician won't acknowledge it, I have no respect for them.
"The war on drugs has been a 50 year crime against humanity...That very few question due to propaganda."
This post was edited on 3/15/17 at 8:00 pm
Posted on 3/15/17 at 8:01 pm to CCTider
quote:O I know, but hippies and the negative effects of mushrooms made me think how many hippies probably seem a little odd regardless.
I wasn't talking about marijuana.
quote:No I don't mean while on it; that's probably a reason many people smoke it.
And yeah, when you're high, you can, and probably will, get lazy.
quote:Sure but my questions is kinda chicken and egg, regarding the stereotypical lazy pothead.
But like with any pleasurable thing (good, drugs, sex, etc), some people overindulge. But because some people are well willed, that doesn't mean anything regarding the average persons experience.
Are they lazy because they're potheads, or are they pothead because they're lazy?
I suspect it's a little of both, but like the gateway drug argument, people infer causation from correlation AND often commit the base-rate fallacy on top of that.
Posted on 3/15/17 at 8:01 pm to Lg
quote:
Awesome. And how many more would hit the unemployment lines due to it being legal? How many tax dollars would go to rehab costs and higher health care costs?
I assume this is just a troll. Dear Lord people.
Posted on 3/15/17 at 8:05 pm to mizzoubuckeyeiowa
quote:Now maybe it's because I don't usually get into this discussion outside of the PT board, but I sense that a lot of people realize it's failure. So what is holding them back? Social influences?
The war on drugs has been a 50 year crime against humanity...That very few question due to propaganda.
I'm probably guilty of this. I don't so drugs, yet despise the WOD, but I'm probably concerned people will infer things about me if I publicly support it. I'm ashamed of that.
Although, if others are like me, that reluctance is slowly subsiding as it becomes less taboo.
This post was edited on 3/15/17 at 8:11 pm
Posted on 3/15/17 at 8:10 pm to McLemore
quote:I don't think so. Although this may he an unfair connection, but I believe he has pretty vehemently argued against evolution.
I assume this is just a troll. Dear Lord people.
And if a person can make such a strong conclusion (not just a skeptical one) on the side that is counter to such a large body of evidence, then the same forces and factors are probably in play in this argument.
Posted on 3/15/17 at 8:26 pm to Pax Regis
quote:
For you pro-pot guys - where is the line?
Pot is the line.
Posted on 3/15/17 at 8:32 pm to Taurus
Gateway - yes to a jail cell ? Yes
But the gateway to other harder drugs is more likely your friends, who you run with, and your genetics. Like people who have alcoholics in their family; although I've seen it in reverse, where these kids say no way.
We've spend a lot of good money trying to banish marijuana to a jail cell. Pot Prisoners Cost Americans $1 Billion and nearly 800,000 Americans were arrested on marijuana charges in 2005. Police arrest more people for marijuana use than for all violent crimes — combined (2016)
That's mucho denero and whole lot of jail cells that aren't holding hardened criminals. And I piss clean these days.
But the gateway to other harder drugs is more likely your friends, who you run with, and your genetics. Like people who have alcoholics in their family; although I've seen it in reverse, where these kids say no way.
We've spend a lot of good money trying to banish marijuana to a jail cell. Pot Prisoners Cost Americans $1 Billion and nearly 800,000 Americans were arrested on marijuana charges in 2005. Police arrest more people for marijuana use than for all violent crimes — combined (2016)
That's mucho denero and whole lot of jail cells that aren't holding hardened criminals. And I piss clean these days.
Posted on 3/15/17 at 8:35 pm to Dire Wolf
I just wish they would legalize it so I could farm it and make money off all these dope heads
Posted on 3/15/17 at 8:44 pm to Pax Regis
quote:
Should it all just be legal and c'est la vie?
Weed and non addictive should be legal. Addictive stuff decriminalize at least at personal use levels. Treat with addiction therapy and not jail time.
Posted on 3/15/17 at 8:49 pm to awestruck
quote:
We've spend a lot of good money trying to banish marijuana to a jail cell. Pot Prisoners Cost Americans $1 Billion and nearly 800,000 Americans were arrested on marijuana charges in 2005. Police arrest more people for marijuana use than for all violent crimes — combined (2016)
That is a horsehit article first of all.
My SO works in a Public defenders office and I can tell you flat out first time simple possession offenders are not sitting in jails for just that.
It's the amount, carrying a weapon in the car, or having more drugs than just weed on them, dui's, violating probation, etc that forces them to serve months or years.
The author is a flipping liar.
Posted on 3/15/17 at 9:17 pm to Taurus
quote:So the article is crap because you're refuting a point that wasn't even made in it (first time wasn't mentioned at all)? That's an interesting conclusion.
My SO works in a Public defenders office and I can tell you flat out first time simple possession offenders are not sitting in jails for just that.
Besides, even if you are 100% correct about the jurisdictions in which your SO's public defender operates, that is one evidence of those jurisdictions. You can't assume that's how some other jurisdiction or state does it as well.
quote:I guess you could call him a liar if you recreate his argument, then refute it with second hand hearsy.
The author is a flipping liar.
You managed to create a strawman, then appealed to your authority by claiming expertise based on second-hand knowledge, and finally generalized a very small sample to the entire population.
And then on top of all that, you accused the journalist--who works for one of the most well-known news organizations in the world, who primarily writes about drug policy, who has editors verifying his work, and who actually cited the data to support his arguments--a liar.
Three fallacies in one argument is quite an impressive feat, expecially since you managed to ignore all the evidence and sources that were counter to your argument.
This post was edited on 3/15/17 at 9:23 pm
Posted on 3/15/17 at 9:55 pm to Dire Wolf
Posted on 3/15/17 at 11:31 pm to buckeye_vol
ETD: had the wrong author
This post was edited on 3/15/17 at 11:42 pm
Posted on 3/15/17 at 11:40 pm to Taurus
So you know more than: https://www.businessinsider.com/marijuana-laws-and-the-prison-system-2012-11
who stated in 2012 (from FBI numbers):
Was it misdirect to confuse convictions with arrest - (devoid of whatever possible leniency)
If so here we go again (one mo time - to help with the reading comprehension)
So because you dislike these values (pot and numbers) it's ok discount the numbers, and have decided what's reported couldn't possibly be that high? Yes, I agree, it's a damn shame - but that they are.
Edit: to remove (possible) personal attack -and- add-back original hypertext links in quote
who stated in 2012 (from FBI numbers):
quote:
More than 45 percent of all drug possession arrests in the U.S. last year were for marijuana, according to the FBI's annual crime report.
Was it misdirect to confuse convictions with arrest - (devoid of whatever possible leniency)
If so here we go again (one mo time - to help with the reading comprehension)
quote:
We've spend a lot of good money trying to banish marijuana to a jail cell. Pot Prisoners Cost Americans $1 Billion and nearly 800,000 Americans were arrested on marijuana charges in 2005. Police arrest more people for marijuana use than for all violent crimes — combined (2016)
So because you dislike these values (pot and numbers) it's ok discount the numbers, and have decided what's reported couldn't possibly be that high? Yes, I agree, it's a damn shame - but that they are.
Edit: to remove (possible) personal attack -and- add-back original hypertext links in quote
This post was edited on 3/16/17 at 6:59 am
Posted on 3/16/17 at 2:18 am to el Gaucho
quote:
However, people that smoke marijuana, even a little bit turn into loser potheads with no ambition. I'm not sure if it's losers being attracted to weed or weed bringing them down but either way it's dangerous to society
Your ignorance is stunning.
lsd/shrooms/coke/meth etc turn people into highly productive, problem solvers who are the best kind of people.
weed=losers
my god-you are ignorant
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