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Posted on 11/18/16 at 11:03 am to tiderider
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Sen. Jeff Sessions (R-Ala.) opposed any reform, saying he has heard from police groups across the country who said civil-asset forfeiture is an important law enforcement tool.
Oh, well I guess that settles it then.
After all, it would be hard to imagine them saying:
"Jeff, we keep seizing people's money and property and using it for profit. You've got to stop us!!!"
This post was edited on 11/18/16 at 11:04 am
Posted on 11/18/16 at 11:05 am to Vito Andolini
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Easy, if you are worried about civil forfeiture, quit selling drugs.
you don't have to commit any crimes to have your property seized
you do know that, right?
Posted on 11/18/16 at 11:07 am to tiderider
And yet Republicans want smaller government. Lol.
This sustains the agency and grows it at the same time. The hypocrisy.
Legalizing it would shrink government and increase revenue. Isn't that the basis of the Republican platform?
This sustains the agency and grows it at the same time. The hypocrisy.
Legalizing it would shrink government and increase revenue. Isn't that the basis of the Republican platform?
Posted on 11/18/16 at 11:07 am to 14&Counting
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Now who do you think that is?
You do realize by sheer numbers that would be white people.
But no, typically civil forfeiture preys on the criminals. I'm not saying abuse doesn't happen. The IRS went ham on the Tea Party groups/people in those groups afterall. Up in Wisconsin the democrats abused the shite out Walker supporters with their prosecuting attorneys. But on the whole, civil forfeiture hits criminals.
A great way to avoid civil forfeiture is to not break the law because the vast majority of people hit with civil forfeiture have broken the law to get a cop's attention.
If any reform needs to happen it is on an expedient way to get your money back when the abuse/mistake happens. That part is broken and needs reform.
Posted on 11/18/16 at 11:07 am to Vito Andolini
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Easy, if you are worried about civil forfeiture, quit selling drugs.
A simple google search would sufficiently tell you just how fricking retarded that statement is.
So I won't.
Posted on 11/18/16 at 11:08 am to tiderider
Geaux Tigers!
This post was edited on 11/18/16 at 11:09 am
Posted on 11/18/16 at 11:10 am to zatetic
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A great way to avoid civil forfeiture is to not break the law because the vast majority of people hit with civil forfeiture have broken the law to get a cop's attention.
the average American commits like 3 felonies a day
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If any reform needs to happen it is on an expedient way to get your money back when the abuse/mistake happens. That part is broken and needs reform.
allowing this avenue would basically eliminate the whole point of CAF. it only works b/c it's so easy to steal and so hard to fight
Posted on 11/18/16 at 11:13 am to tiderider
Great to see we're replacing the worst Attorney General in history with someone who can compare.
Posted on 11/18/16 at 11:14 am to SlowFlowPro
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the average American commits like 3 felonies a day
Link?
I mean, I probably commit more, but wondering about other people.
Posted on 11/18/16 at 11:15 am to OMLandshark
Eric Holder was worse than Lynch. Not by much... but he was probably the worst AG of all time.
Sessions seems like he won't be much better than either though.
Sessions seems like he won't be much better than either though.
Posted on 11/18/16 at 11:16 am to tiderider
Why haven't CAF laws been scaled back through the courts? They seem unconstitutional.
This post was edited on 11/18/16 at 11:23 am
Posted on 11/18/16 at 11:16 am to zatetic
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A great way to avoid civil forfeiture is to not break the law because the vast majority of people hit with civil forfeiture have broken the law to get a cop's attention.
No one is suggesting CF doesn't serve a purpose but there should be due process.
Posted on 11/18/16 at 11:17 am to SlowFlowPro
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the average American commits like 3 felonies a day
I can't imagine that is correct. Not saying you are wrong but felonies are pretty big. I'd readily believe misdemeanors.
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allowing this avenue would basically eliminate the whole point of CAF. it only works b/c it's so easy to steal and so hard to fight
Except criminals wouldn't get their money back. People like drug dealers and pimps/sex workers would have no way to get it back still. So when cops do it unjustly or off bad intel it gets returned. Then while being inconvenient it could still be good system. If a cop does it too many times against innocent people then there should be punishment of that cop and/or district (if district wide practice).
Posted on 11/18/16 at 11:18 am to SlowFlowPro
Melt much broseph?
Posted on 11/18/16 at 11:19 am to zatetic
Allow fortfeiture on arrest. Feds will allow the seized funds to be used to pay for legal defense. If you aren't convicted the funds are returned. If you are convicted then good bye.
Much better than the current system and still punishes criminals.
Much better than the current system and still punishes criminals.
Posted on 11/18/16 at 11:21 am to zatetic
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I can't imagine that is correct. Not saying you are wrong but felonies are pretty big.
the amount of felonies, especially in how vague they are, is even bigger
LINK
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Except criminals wouldn't get their money back.
except they would in some situations
plus the ADs/LEO would have to use resources to defend their actions
then all the bad publicity that will come. the worst thing LEO/prosecutors can do is falsely prosecute an innocent local
the risk/cost ends up making it a bad proposition pretty quickly
that's why they've rigged the system SO BAD
Posted on 11/18/16 at 11:22 am to tiderider
Again, why haven't CAF laws been scaled back through the courts? They seem unconstitutional.
Posted on 11/18/16 at 11:23 am to CorporateTiger
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Allow fortfeiture on arrest. Feds will allow the seized funds to be used to pay for legal defense
as a side note, i hope people realize the USSC recently ruled that seized funds cannot be used to pay for a legal defense
so the government can literally take all of your money, detain you without bond, and then deny you the ability to pay for your own defense (adding more cost to the public), all months before you can even begin to defend yourself
Posted on 11/18/16 at 11:24 am to GumboPot
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Again, why haven't CAF laws been scaled back through the courts?
lots of shitty caselaw eroding the 4th Amendment to support the WOD, for one
lots of shitty caselaw expanding the power of fedgov, generally. Congress now has a VERY broad brush to do as it wishes with USSC approval
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