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re: SCOTUS will not fast track Jack Smith’s bull shite case against DJT.
Posted on 12/24/23 at 1:34 pm to SlowFlowPro
Posted on 12/24/23 at 1:34 pm to SlowFlowPro
quote:Oooh boy
And under the standards set out in the indictment, you know, Jack Smith could be indicted
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This went over your head
Denying a defendant the rights to a fair process seems to sudden escape you.
Posted on 12/24/23 at 1:36 pm to NC_Tigah
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Denying a defendant the rights to a fair process seems to sudden escape you.
When did this happen?
What process was Trump denied?
Posted on 12/24/23 at 1:43 pm to SlowFlowPro
quote:Case law, and appellate rulings mean basically nothing now? Well that's such an interesting POV.
Those rulings mean basically nothing
What were you inclusively taught about value of Appeals Courts rulings in the judicial process?
Posted on 12/24/23 at 1:44 pm to SlowFlowPro
quote:Why is a gag order imposed on Trump?
What process was Trump denied?
Posted on 12/24/23 at 1:46 pm to NC_Tigah
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Case law, and appellate rulings mean basically nothing now?
In this HIGHLY SPECIFIC and IDIOSYNCRATIC scenario? Worthless
This is a case of first impression and de novo review that is immediately going to the Supreme Court.
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What were you inclusively taught about value of Appeals Courts rulings in the judicial process?
Why are you trying to apply generality to this very narrow and specific example?
This is not a normal case and these sorts of things are incredibly rare. This is purely novel
Posted on 12/24/23 at 1:47 pm to NC_Tigah
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Why is a gag order imposed on Trump?
Look at the ruling of the court
Was Trump denied an opportunity to argue against it? THAT would be a denial of process
Posted on 12/24/23 at 1:49 pm to SlowFlowPro
quote:What is the ruling's underlying premise?
Look at the ruling of the court
Posted on 12/24/23 at 1:52 pm to SlowFlowPro
quote:Why are you dodging the question?
Why are you trying to apply generality to this very narrow and specific example?
Surely you were taught the value of Appeals Courts rulings in the judicial process.
What is it? This is your field. I'm curious as to what you were taught.
Posted on 12/24/23 at 2:09 pm to NC_Tigah
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What is the ruling's underlying premise?
I honestly don't remember exactly. It will be in the ruling.
But his attorneys got to argue opposition correct? That's due process
Posted on 12/24/23 at 2:10 pm to NC_Tigah
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Why are you dodging the question?
I'm not. I answered.
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Surely you were taught the value of Appeals Courts rulings in the judicial process.
Assuming no superior court rules.
The only value of intermediate appellate decisions when a higher court rules is academic masturbation.
None of that applies here, again.
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Why are you trying to apply generality to this very narrow and specific example?
Posted on 12/24/23 at 2:14 pm to SlowFlowPro
quote:Oh my. What are general foundational premises driving a judicial gag order?
I honestly don't remember exactly. It will be in the ruling.
Posted on 12/24/23 at 2:16 pm to SlowFlowPro
quote:Wow!
The only value of intermediate appellate decisions when a higher court rules is academic masturbation.
That is quite a novel opinion.
Posted on 12/24/23 at 2:17 pm to NC_Tigah
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What are general foundational premises driving a judicial gag order?
Commentary outside of court that can affect the proceeding.
Posted on 12/24/23 at 2:19 pm to NC_Tigah
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That is quite a novel opinion
Why?
How much stock do you put in failed drug testing when you have a viable option? (other than academic purposes)
What use does your typical medical practitioner have in practice reading up on failed drug testing? Or do you only look at the successfully tested drugs when analyzing treatment avenues?
Posted on 12/24/23 at 2:23 pm to SlowFlowPro
quote:Why would that be important?
Commentary outside of court that can affect the proceeding.
Posted on 12/24/23 at 2:38 pm to SlowFlowPro
quote:Tremendous interest. If systematic errors are present, we would want them ID'd. We'd want to sort out errors of sensitivity vs specificity and their circumstantial importance, etc.
How much stock do you put in failed drug testing when you have a viable option?
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Back to the point at hand, Opinions at appellate level may raise new Constitutional questions, or address unconsidered answers. Inconceivable as it may seem, Appeals Court Judges may, in some instances, be brighter and more capable than their SCOTUS counterparts.
E.g., Many liberal appellate justices would know what a woman is, even without consulting a biologist.
Posted on 12/24/23 at 3:16 pm to Indefatigable
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Why would Trump want that? Why would Trump’s supporters want that? Why would ANYONE want that?
Time to prepare a proper defense?
Posted on 12/24/23 at 3:27 pm to NC_Tigah
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If systematic errors are present, we would want them ID'd. We'd want to sort out errors of sensitivity vs specificity and their circumstantial importance, etc.
That's academic
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Opinions at appellate level may raise new Constitutional questions
That's done with the actual appeal. The intermediate level can't add issues/questions
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Inconceivable as it may seem, Appeals Court Judges may, in some instances, be brighter and more capable than their SCOTUS counterparts.
But ultimately they don't get the final say. Again this is a completely novel issue. This is super rare.
Posted on 12/24/23 at 3:53 pm to SlowFlowPro
quote:Good gosh, SFP.
The intermediate level can't add issues/questions
In
the
intermediate
court
ruling
appeals court justices elucidate reasons IAW the Constitution for their findings.
Those may influence (or in the case of one SCOTUS Justice, educate) the higher court.
...
All basic stuff.
All very well known to you.
Which raises the question, why are you doing this?
Posted on 12/24/23 at 4:41 pm to BBONDS25
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Time to prepare a proper defense?
What?
His having time to prepare a merits defense to the charges has absolutely nothing to do with whether he is immune from being charged at all, which is what the present SCOTUS issue concerns.
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