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re: SCOTUS to hear gay Wedding cake case
Posted on 12/4/17 at 4:14 pm to Tigerdev
Posted on 12/4/17 at 4:14 pm to Tigerdev
quote:Yes.
So you think that we should appeal our anti-discrimination laws and allow businesses to deny service on the basis of whatever they choose?
quote:No.
So Jim Crow basically.
Jim Crow laws were actual laws created and enforced by the local and state governments that forced segregation for public services and facilities. I'm against discrimination by the government but am for freedom of citizens to associate with whoever they want for whatever reason they want.
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Posted on 12/4/17 at 4:15 pm to Tigerdev
quote:
Actually it does matter. Otherwise folks wouldnt be in the thread intentionally misrepresenting the events leading to the case.
Maybe you should read the article. He offered his services. He declined to design a cake that encompassed that message.
Posted on 12/4/17 at 4:15 pm to FooManChoo
So businesses should be able to refuse service to blacks?
That'll go well.
That'll go well.
Posted on 12/4/17 at 4:17 pm to Tigerdev
quote:
So businesses should be able to refuse service to blacks?
That'll go well.
A business turning down a buck is stupid but they should be able to enter into voluntary transactions of their choice
Posted on 12/4/17 at 4:18 pm to Tigerdev
quote:It won't go well, and that's the point. Let the market do its thing. If a business says "no blacks allowed", you'll see boycotts by whites, too, leading to that business going out of business. Let the market punish businesses for bad business practices while keeping the government out of it.
So businesses should be able to refuse service to blacks?
That'll go well.
Posted on 12/4/17 at 4:18 pm to Tigerdev
You do realize minority communities are typically anti gay?
Posted on 12/4/17 at 4:18 pm to Tigerdev
quote:
You can cry about it all you want but it wont bring back the 50s.
You're projecting again. You would love for this country to be racist so you could "fight the power".
Stop living in the past. It comes off as a pathetic SJW.
Do you think there is some kind of race problem in this country? If so, evidenced by what?
Posted on 12/4/17 at 4:20 pm to FooManChoo
Your faith in humanity policing itself ignores centuries of real facts.
Reminder: we had to call in the national guard to desegregate schools.
These things dont solve themselves.
Reminder: we had to call in the national guard to desegregate schools.
These things dont solve themselves.
Posted on 12/4/17 at 4:21 pm to Loserman
quote:
Too bad our country has fallen to the point that a case like this is even necessary
Posted on 12/4/17 at 4:24 pm to Dale51
Well apparently people are still beinf discriminated against on the basis of sexual orientation. If it were legal the same would happen with religion, race, etc. I support same sex couples in this case.
Posted on 12/4/17 at 4:24 pm to Tigerdev
quote:Your faith in government ignores millennia of real facts. I'd rather deal with the bad of freedom than the good of slavery by the government.
Your faith in humanity policing itself ignores centuries of real facts.
quote:Public (government) or private schools? There's a difference.
Reminder: we had to call in the national guard to desegregate schools.
quote:Yeah, they do. Sometimes they take longer but they eventually do solve themselves when freedom exists.
These things dont solve themselves.
Posted on 12/4/17 at 4:24 pm to 14&Counting
quote:
He declined to design a cake that encompassed that message
Exactly.
It would be like if Michaelangelo was Muslim and the Pope forced him to paint the Sistine Chapel anyway.
Posted on 12/4/17 at 4:25 pm to FooManChoo
Its easy to call for patience and natural acceptance over time when you arent the one being impacted.
Posted on 12/4/17 at 4:27 pm to Tigerdev
quote:
If it were legal the same would happen with religion, race, etc. I support same sex couples in this case.
I support freedom to choose. Why are you so discriminatory towards people who are different that you?
Posted on 12/4/17 at 4:30 pm to FooManChoo
Posted on 12/4/17 at 4:30 pm to Tigerdev
quote:
when you arent the one being impacted.
Who says the ones who are forced to violate their conscience aren't impacted?
That takes a heavy negative psychological toll on a person.
And if hate speech is violence because of its negative psychological toll,
then certainly this is violence toward the baker as well.
Why do you support violence?
Posted on 12/4/17 at 4:31 pm to TrueTiger
quote:
Exactly. It would be like if Michaelangelo was Muslim and the Pope forced him to paint the Sistine Chapel anyway.
..and I say that as someone who agreed with he SCOTUS decision on gay marriage.
I just don't think you can force someone to make a religious, political, or artistic statement if they don't want to.....
Posted on 12/4/17 at 4:34 pm to Tigerdev
quote:Is freedom only good when it's beneficial to you personally? Is slavery good when you're in the house instead of out in the fields?
Its easy to call for patience and natural acceptance over time when you arent the one being impacted.
We're talking about a philosophical issue: whether the government should have more or less control over the actions of the people.
I'm in favor of the government getting out of things as much as possible, including regulating how people interact with each other and how people control their own property (including who they give/sell it to). Freedom means the ability to do things to others that we don't necessarily like or agree with so long as natural human rights aren't being violated. No one has the natural human right to another person's labor or property, though.
Posted on 12/4/17 at 4:34 pm to TrueTiger
quote:That is a horribly constructed sequential argument.
Who says the ones who are forced to violate their conscience aren't impacted?
That takes a heavy negative psychological toll on a person.
And if hate speech is violence because of its negative psychological toll,
then certainly this is violence toward the baker as well.
Why do you support violence?
Posted on 12/4/17 at 4:35 pm to ZappBrannigan
quote:I know what was being referenced. That was my point. A public school shouldn't discriminate against students. A private school should be able to discriminate if they want. That's why I made the distinction.
Public Schools
C'mon man.
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