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re: SCOTUS says "No Thanks" to Kim Davis and "Yes" to same sex marriage.
Posted on 11/11/25 at 8:31 am to Dex Morgan
Posted on 11/11/25 at 8:31 am to Dex Morgan
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You lose the midterms and subsequent elections and you'll lose even more religious autonomy
Church over country. I could care less who is in charge…render unto Cesaer what is Cesaers.
Posted on 11/11/25 at 8:32 am to FooManChoo
I'm not sure what that means. My main point was we're all committing all kinds of sins. We're all going to perdition.
Posted on 11/11/25 at 8:32 am to jcaz
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You’re retarded. The church’s marriage and the state’s marriage are two different things. They aren’t forcing the churches to marry gays
Always great to start off with an epithet. Nothing you blather about after matters.
Posted on 11/11/25 at 8:39 am to Snipe
Wow. So, by that same logic, your marriage to the opposite sex is also only rooted in lust, not love.
Asinine statement. If marriages main purpose was for procreation, and not love, then all marriages are based in lust.
Asinine statement. If marriages main purpose was for procreation, and not love, then all marriages are based in lust.
Posted on 11/11/25 at 8:44 am to retired_tiger
quote:It is very different, actually. The creator of all things and the source of all goodness, human dignity, and human rights has revealed Himself through the Bible, not those other documents. This is a matter of objective truth, not a mere legal technicality.
You cite the Bible is no different than if others would cite the Quran, Tanakh, Tao Te Ching, or Bhagavad Gita.
quote:Thank you for the permission
Religion is fine for you, and you are welcome to follow it as you deem appropriate.
Christianity is more than a personal and private religion, though. It proclaims truth for all men, women, and children. It proclaims the truth about our dignity and rights, being created in the image of God with inherent value, and protected by the King of creation, who will hold all tyrannical governments and leaders accountable for their wickedness. It is the standard for all objective moral truth, which is a guide for citizens.
You speak as if the Christian religion is no different than a child’s make-believe game, and that adults shouldn’t pay any attention to it as far as governance, rights, and morality are concerned. Without the moral law-giver in God, rights and moral actions that we codify in laws would be nothing but the thoughts of men with no basis in reality except by the will of those with the power to create and enforce them.
This goes well beyond mere religion, and speaks to the very foundation of rights, themselves.
quote:The Constitution is a document and can be changed. I’m arguing that it ought to be changed. God is the one who grants our rights, not men. A nation that spits in God’s face cannot expect His continued blessing.
For government, however, it simply is not a factor to be considered regarding the issue of same sex marriage. The Constitution is where we look, and the Constitution provides for equality.
Posted on 11/11/25 at 8:45 am to PrattvilleTiger
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Are you also strongly opposed to divorce?
Is this is a serious question? Of course I am strongly opposed to the breaking of a holy sacrament of the Holy Orthodox Church. Divorce is terrible and destructive.
Posted on 11/11/25 at 8:45 am to FooManChoo
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It is very different, actually. The creator of all things and the source of all goodness, human dignity, and human rights has revealed Himself through the Bible, not those other documents. This is a matter of objective truth, not a mere legal technicality.
This post was edited on 11/11/25 at 8:57 am
Posted on 11/11/25 at 8:47 am to FooManChoo
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The Constitution is a document and can be changed.
Until it's changed to permit a theocracy, I don't get why you keep repeating yourself. You're not swaying anybody and are turning people off to the potential of that theocracy, I'd imagine.
Posted on 11/11/25 at 8:49 am to PrattvilleTiger
quote:It is true that we all are committing all kinds of sins, but it isn’t true that we are all going to perdition. God entered into His own creation, taking on a human nature and fulfilling the requirements of the law for us, and paying the debt of sin that we owe God by Jesus dying on the cross so that we don’t have to pay that debt, ourselves. If you trust in that work of Jesus Christ by faith, you will be forgiven your sins and have everlasting life.
I'm not sure what that means. My main point was we're all committing all kinds of sins. We're all going to perdition.
Posted on 11/11/25 at 8:49 am to Fat Bastard
Gay and Trans are not the same thing. It's ridiculous that they are grouped together. Bruce Jenner dresses as a woman but only dates women. It's ludicrous. And I agree that all sexual tendencies can lead to debauchery. Including heterosexuality.
As I've previously stated, I know lots of guys that have screwed women up their bunghole. I don't see people in society going bonkers over that.
As I've previously stated, I know lots of guys that have screwed women up their bunghole. I don't see people in society going bonkers over that.
Posted on 11/11/25 at 8:50 am to SlowFlowPro
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Until it's changed to permit a theocracy,
We're in a theocracy now, we just look to the majority or judges as the little gods that determine our moral values.
Posted on 11/11/25 at 8:55 am to HillbillyTiger
I would argue the opposite. Why should 2 people who hate each other continue to live together because of a legal contract? I have known a few couples that one of the parties could have ended up gravely injured or even dead had they continued to live together. That's how volatile their relationships were.
But, maybe you have been fortunate enough to not know people in marriages like that.
But, maybe you have been fortunate enough to not know people in marriages like that.
This post was edited on 11/11/25 at 9:17 am
Posted on 11/11/25 at 8:57 am to Green Chili Tiger
Congrats sexual deviants
Posted on 11/11/25 at 8:57 am to boosiebadazz
quote:What I said is true.
I usually ignore you and these these threads but this is so great
I could defend my statement through critiquing each religion and why their beliefs do not account for our reality while only the God of the Bible can.
The Constitution, absent God, is merely an arbitrary set of opinions.
Posted on 11/11/25 at 8:58 am to FooManChoo
Are there alternate dimensions where we will have everlasting life? Is our consciousness the same thing as our soul? It "transfers", so to speak, to an alternative universe upon death?
( legitimate questions here. I'm not being obtuse)
( legitimate questions here. I'm not being obtuse)
Posted on 11/11/25 at 9:04 am to PrattvilleTiger
I am the child of parents who divorced due to my father’s alcoholism and abusiveness. Of course I don’t support people staying in a torturous environment.
My past is an example of one person not valuing his promise to another and more importantly, looking at it as a legal contract that can be broken versus a covenant under God.
My past is an example of one person not valuing his promise to another and more importantly, looking at it as a legal contract that can be broken versus a covenant under God.
Posted on 11/11/25 at 9:06 am to PrattvilleTiger
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So, by that same logic, your marriage to the opposite sex is also only rooted in lust, not love
Weak strawman attempt.
No. My marriage is a sacrament of God. I am following his command and his laws (as best as I can.) My marriage is between myself (1 man) and my wife( a biological female - 1 woman).
We accept Jesus Christ as our savior and submit to Gods will in all we do. We raise out children to honor and respect this truth as well.
What rooted in lust is when you disobey Gods command because you want to do what feel good to you.
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If marriages main purpose was for procreation, and not love, then all marriages are based in lust.
This likely makes senas to Godless people but when you know and love God you marriage is based on love of God first and submission to his will. Not your own.
The most beautiful thing about my wife is her love of God and the best thing I can offer my wife is my Love of God and together we love each other in God.
When you act on your lustful impulses you reject God and therefore cannot have love for God or love of anything really because God is Love perfectly manifest. Everything else is lust.
Posted on 11/11/25 at 9:06 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:I’m not promoting a theocracy. Governments of man can and should work alongside the Church. They are different spheres of authority, but can support one another.
Until it's changed to permit a theocracy, I don't get why you keep repeating yourself.
I repeat myself because this is a discussion board and I’m engaging in conversation.
quote:I’ll speak the truth regardless of whether anyone is persuaded by it, just like others here continue to say what they want even if others aren’t persuaded.
You're not swaying anybody and are turning people off to the potential of that theocracy, I'd imagine.
Because I’m not promoting a theocracy, I’m not concerned if anyone is being turned off to the idea of one.
Posted on 11/11/25 at 9:13 am to FooManChoo
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What I said is true.
I could defend my statement through critiquing each religion and why their beliefs do not account for our reality while only the God of the Bible can.
And no matter what you write, it will still be your subjective opinion and not an objective, verifiable fact.
Posted on 11/11/25 at 9:14 am to PrattvilleTiger
quote:There is a spiritual realm and the material realm that we inhabit. When our bodies die, our souls are transported to the spiritual realm, existing in either Heaven or Hell.
Are there alternate dimensions where we will have everlasting life?
quote:We are both body and soul. Our consciousness will continue after our bodies die.
Is our consciousness the same thing as our soul?
quote:Yes, a spiritual realm. One day our souls will be united with new bodies and will either be on the new and recreated earth or will be thrown into the lake of fire/Hell.
It "transfers", so to speak, to an alternative universe upon death?
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