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re: Science Increasingly Makes the Case for God--WSJ--Eric Metaxas
Posted on 1/1/15 at 7:27 pm to Hester Carries
Posted on 1/1/15 at 7:27 pm to Hester Carries
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So originally you said that even Jesus did fun stuff just because. And now youre saying you know this because...well, why would he not...
I said he went to weddings, fished, traveled and he did do all of these things which are fun to me. Because Jesus also used these occasions as teaching moments doesn't mean that he couldn't enjoy himself along the way.
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Posted on 1/1/15 at 7:27 pm to BestStop
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I KNOW
So mister alt.
Show us your proof.
I will wait right here.
Posted on 1/1/15 at 7:28 pm to Revelator
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I said he went to weddings, fished, traveled and he did do all of these things which are fun to me. Because Jesus also used these occasions as teaching moments doesn't mean that he couldn't enjoy himself along the way.
Did he have pre-martial sex like you? (I mean that's a fun thing we all like to do)
This post was edited on 1/1/15 at 7:29 pm
Posted on 1/1/15 at 7:29 pm to Roger Klarvin
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How do you know this?
I don't, but it's not a contradiction to believe that Jesus could have both used fishing as relaxation and a teaching moment.
Posted on 1/1/15 at 7:30 pm to asurob1
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Did he have pre-martial sex like you? (I mean that's a fun thing we all like to do)
No he was sinless.
Posted on 1/1/15 at 7:30 pm to Revelator
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I don't, but it's not a contradiction to believe that Jesus could have both used fishing as relaxation and a teaching moment.
because you say so...right.
Posted on 1/1/15 at 7:34 pm to BestStop
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I KNOW
You dont know the difference between think/believe and know.
I lot of people say stuff like "I know my husband would never cheat on me". Thats not true. Often time he does cheat. Then people say they were wrong. They were only wrong because they said know instead of the correct term, believe or think.
You dont know. Neither do I.
Posted on 1/1/15 at 7:34 pm to asurob1
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because you say so...right.
I have no proof one way or another from scripture Rob, but it's a logical conclusion that Jesus spent some of his time with his disciples just having fellowship. And as I've stated above, barely anything is written about his childhood and teen years and one has to assume that he played with other kids and enjoyed himself.
None of this is pertinent to the OP anyway so it doesn't matter.
Posted on 1/1/15 at 7:35 pm to Revelator
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None of this is pertinent to the OP anyway so it doesn't matter.
It matters cause you are making stuff up in response to other people. You cant just fill the massive holes in the Bible with stuff thats convenient.
Posted on 1/1/15 at 7:37 pm to asurob1
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Show us your proof
You need me to prove gravity, too?
Posted on 1/1/15 at 7:39 pm to BestStop
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You need me to prove gravity, too?
You know we can do that, right?
Posted on 1/1/15 at 7:41 pm to Hester Carries
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It matters cause you are making stuff up in response to other people. You cant just fill the massive holes in the Bible with stuff thats convenient.
Your original suggestion was that if a person believes in a God above he would live like a hermit missionary. I gave you concrete examples of how Jesus himself, including his disciples, did things that were leisurely. If you dispute this than I don't know what else to say.
Posted on 1/1/15 at 7:42 pm to Revelator
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leisurely
You made up that part.
Posted on 1/1/15 at 7:44 pm to Revelator
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quote: Did he have pre-martial sex like you? (I mean that's a fun thing we all like to do) No he was sinless.
Try again. Yet another example of you being wrong.
Jewish law, which Jesus would have followed, does not outlaw pre marital sex.
Why don't you know what Jesus believed?
He could have have pre marital sex and it wouldn't have been a sin.
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Judaism's attitude toward premarital sex is intriguing.
The Torah does not outlaw it--as it does many other types of sexual relationships--and the child of such a union is not considered a mamzer (illegitimate). Nonetheless, marital sex is considered ideal, and premarital sex is traditionally not approved of.
Posted on 1/1/15 at 7:44 pm to BestStop
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You need me to prove gravity, too?
Um...
Well this is awkward
Posted on 1/1/15 at 7:46 pm to Revelator
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No he was sinless.
Premarital sex isn't outlawed by the Torah and isn't inherently immoral to jews. It's frowned upon by most due to their conservative nature, but it isn't seen as the evil that it is in Christianity.
So he may not have had sex, but as a practicing jew it was not expressly forbidden.
This post was edited on 1/1/15 at 7:47 pm
Posted on 1/1/15 at 7:54 pm to BestStop
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You need me to prove gravity, too?
I can.
...afraid?
Posted on 1/1/15 at 7:55 pm to mahdragonz
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Try again. Yet another example of you being wrong. Jewish law, which Jesus would have followed, does not outlaw pre marital sex. Why don't you know what Jesus believed?
Jesus said himself," if you look at a woman with lust, you've already committed adultery with her in your heart." So even if as you and Roger claim that premarital sex wasn't against the Jewish tradition, it's certainly against God's. And one can't have sexual relations with a woman without arousing fleshly lust. So this is a giant fail.
Posted on 1/1/15 at 7:56 pm to Roger Klarvin
quote:There you go again. I'm not Catholic, but since you brought up Mass, Mass is a very ritualized ceremony. Tons of symbolism, as well as more present focus in the homily. But all-in-all it's only an hour or so. Even given the exceedingly rare exception of an individual attending service daily, and even given the most atheistic of premises, it hardly qualifies as a life solely based around insignificance.
a lifestyle based solely around an omniscient deity
Normal folks rely on some sort of internal compass. Theists, atheists, agnostics all do. Religion aids that for many.
quote:Depends on competency of the practitioner I guess. Biofeedback or Hypnosis are far from "glorified".
Meditation is glorified relaxation techniques
I'd guess the bottomline use for all of this, regardless of belief, has to do with the potential to help someone in a healing process, whether that entails grieving, fear, pain, addiction, etc.
At least that's been my experience.
Posted on 1/1/15 at 7:57 pm to Revelator
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f you look at a woman with lust, you've already committed adultery
not if both participants are single. You realize sex has existed longer than marriage right?
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