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re: Satanic Temple puts up display at Michigan Capital
Posted on 12/24/14 at 8:06 am to Cruiserhog
Posted on 12/24/14 at 8:06 am to Cruiserhog
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Yep, its called the Theory of Evolution and its fact, testable, observable, fact.
I don't disagree with the theory of evolution in anyway none what so ever. But this is one of the funniest statements I have ever seen.
In no way does evolution disprove that man is not created in the image of God.
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Posted on 12/24/14 at 8:19 am to CollegeFBRules
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Now you've just thrown out honesty completely.
have you ever done any biblical interoperation?
He has a point, since the time those stories have been written the majority have seen most of those as allegory not historical fact, while a minority have thought it historical fact. That statement isn't so far fetched as you make it out to be.
Maybe he exaggerated a little bit but it isn't so far fetched.
Posted on 12/24/14 at 8:43 am to Revelator
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Well you have if you've read the New Testament. This is just one of many examples of Jesus talking about literal people in the Old Testament;
that is arguable rev.
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(Luke 17:26–27).
How does this prove that the story of Noah is literal? Isn't it possible that Jesus is referring to a popular story at the time he was alive and used it to prove a point?
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Matthew 12:40
Same thing here, just because Jesus says that Jonah was in the whale doesn't mean that it literally happened. Again Jesus could just be referring to the story and not backing up it's literal happening.
If they used allegory in the Old Testament couldn't Christ use it as well?
Posted on 12/24/14 at 9:52 am to catholictigerfan
When allegory or parables are used in the Bible, the context makes it pretty apparent. There is no context within the Bible that makes the book of Jonah an obvious allegory or parable. In fact, Jonah is mentioned in 2 Kings 14 as a prophet of God. Jesus also called Jonah a prophet in Matt. 12:39. If Jesus was just referencing a well-known allegory or parable, why would he allude to Jonah as a prophet? A prophet was a specially-chosen person whom God would use to carry a message to the people.
If Jonah was a prophet, he would be the only one written about in the Bible allegorically if the story about him wasn't literal. That doesn't fit with the rest of the accounts of the prophets who were all believed to be literal men commissioned by God to do His work.
If Jonah was a prophet, he would be the only one written about in the Bible allegorically if the story about him wasn't literal. That doesn't fit with the rest of the accounts of the prophets who were all believed to be literal men commissioned by God to do His work.
Posted on 12/24/14 at 11:18 am to Cruiserhog
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Yep, its called the Theory of Evolution and its fact, testable, observable, fact.
Care to elaborate on any of these factual, testable, and observable facts you reference? Why have we not observed anything that even closely resembles primate to human transformations in our time or is that due to the "missing link" having not been located yet? Heck, I will even settle for proof of intermediate forms of the "missing link". Seems to be a few profound gaps in this so called proof...please enlighten me. I am not trying to be condescending either, if you have all this proof please lay it out on the table for us to see.
This post was edited on 12/24/14 at 11:19 am
Posted on 12/24/14 at 11:37 am to Crimson1st
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Why have we not observed anything that even closely resembles primate to human transformations in our time
You do realize that humans are primates? Also, you apparently don't grasp the amount of time generally required by evolution. However, here you go:
Evidence of macroevolution including transitional forms between various species
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Figure 1.4.4. Fossil hominid skulls. (Images © 2000 Smithsonian Institution.) (larger 76K JPG version)
(A) Pan troglodytes, chimpanzee, modern
(B) Australopithecus africanus, STS 5, 2.6 My
(C) Australopithecus africanus, STS 71, 2.5 My
(D) Homo habilis, KNM-ER 1813, 1.9 My
(E) Homo habilis, OH24, 1.8 My
(F) Homo rudolfensis, KNM-ER 1470, 1.8 My
(G) Homo erectus, Dmanisi cranium D2700, 1.75 My
(H) Homo ergaster (early H. erectus), KNM-ER 3733, 1.75 My
(I) Homo heidelbergensis, "Rhodesia man," 300,000 - 125,000 y
(J) Homo sapiens neanderthalensis, La Ferrassie 1, 70,000 y
(K) Homo sapiens neanderthalensis, La Chappelle-aux-Saints, 60,000 y
(L) Homo sapiens neanderthalensis, Le Moustier, 45,000 y
(M) Homo sapiens sapiens, Cro-Magnon I, 30,000 y
(N) Homo sapiens sapiens, modern
Posted on 12/24/14 at 11:49 am to FooManChoo
Grown men believing in the literal stories of Jonah getting eaten by a whale and living, or Noah herding 2 of all the millions of species on earth into his giant ark, simply astound me.
At least the Christians who don't take the Bible completely literally understand some of the stories are a stretch and meant to teach lessons, not be history lessons.
At least the Christians who don't take the Bible completely literally understand some of the stories are a stretch and meant to teach lessons, not be history lessons.
Posted on 12/24/14 at 11:54 am to TheIndulger
quote:If I assumed God doesn't exist and that miracles never happened, then I would agree with you.
Grown men believing in the literal stories of Jonah getting eaten by a whale and living, or Noah herding 2 of all the millions of species on earth into his giant ark, simply astound me.
At least the Christians who don't take the Bible completely literally understand some of the stories are a stretch and meant to teach lessons, not be history lessons
Since I believe God does exist, is supernatural, and has interacted with His creation in extraordinary ways in the past, I will have to continue to astound you.
Posted on 12/24/14 at 11:56 am to JazzyJeff
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.I understand you NEED these stories to be thought of as real life
LOL just about the entirety of the Old Testament is fiction dude...If there is any evidence for the existence of one of its characters Im not aware of it.
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Sorry. That's one straw man you need to put away.
Nice try to deflect but you are full of shite, and you know it. Now I just think you are a poor troll
Posted on 12/24/14 at 11:59 am to Tom288
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You do realize that humans are primates?
Ok, but I think you know what I meant by my statement.
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Also, you apparently don't grasp the amount of time generally required by evolution
I understand in the ways of Evolution many of these changes take time but where are the intermediate links now? Why is there this huge chasm between modern day humans and the next closest species? See, by using this argument that these changes take all this time to manifest it leaves an ever present "out". That card can always be played to explain the unexplainable.
Now as for your chart, is it your contention that these skulls have been unaltered?
Posted on 12/24/14 at 12:04 pm to Crimson1st
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Care to elaborate on any of these factual, testable, and observable facts you reference? Why have we not observed anything that even closely resembles primate to human transformations in our time or is that due to the "missing link" having not been located yet? Heck, I will even settle for proof of intermediate forms of the "missing link". Seems to be a few profound gaps in this so called proof...please enlighten me. I am not trying to be condescending either, if you have all this proof please lay it out on the table for us to see.
Why should I educate you. Make an effort and find the information for yourself. I cant help it if you dont understand what a Theory is or that there are literally hundreds of thousand of transitional forms (horse, whale, manatee lineages are all completely and well understood) and thousands of examples of observed plant speciations, ring species...etc.
Its obvious by your post you aren't willing to objectively look at the evidence and come the conclusion the entirety of our biological sciences is based on. I would suggest you visit the Talkorigins.org archive and start there.
Posted on 12/24/14 at 12:17 pm to Crimson1st
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I understand in the ways of Evolution many of these changes take time but where are the intermediate links now? Why is there this huge chasm between modern day humans and the next closest species? See, by using this argument that these changes take all this time to manifest it leaves an ever present "out". That card can always be played to explain the unexplainable.
I provided you with a link that lists plenty of evidence and examples of transitional forms.
There is no huge chasm. Neanderthal DNA is roughly 0.12% different to that of modern humans. In fact, according to recent research it's likely that Neanderthals not only lived alongside modern Homo sapiens, but genetic evidence shows that interbreeding between each species probably occurred.
And while evolution generally takes a lot of time, we're talking macroevolution here, there are examples of new species evolving in both the lab and in the wild. We've observed speciation occur in Fruit and House flies, for example.
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Now as for your chart, is it your contention that these skulls have been unaltered?
And yes, it is my contention that the skulls in that photo have not been altered. Do you have reason to suspect such activity from the Smithsonian?
This post was edited on 12/24/14 at 12:19 pm
Posted on 12/24/14 at 12:17 pm to catholictigerfan
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In no way does evolution disprove that man is not created in the image of God.
So God is a 3 to 4 foot tall hominid with a large pronounced brow and large masticatory muscles....gotcha.
Posted on 12/24/14 at 12:25 pm to Crimson1st
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Why is there this huge chasm between modern day humans and the next closest species?
There isn't some giant gap, dumbass. You can claim this all you want to hold on to the delusion of a heaven where you wear a glowing toga and walk on clouds for the rest of your existence, but I don't see why anyone would waste their time talking to someone so willingly dumb that they don't even acknowledge evidence that is easily found with a Google search.
Posted on 12/24/14 at 12:27 pm to Crimson1st
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Now as for your chart, is it your contention that these skulls have been unaltered?
Posted on 12/24/14 at 12:28 pm to Tom288
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And yes, it is my contention that the skulls in that photo have not been altered.
You felt the need to engage a man in conversation who would prefer think scientists have altered skulls to prove evolution in order to "kill God" rather than let him sit in his own feces and drool? Someone like that doesn't want to learn something new, they want to imitate an ostrich.
Posted on 12/24/14 at 12:31 pm to catholictigerfan
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have you ever done any biblical interoperation?
Man, my freaking religion teachers at my high school taught those stories as awesome examples of God's power. I'm not just randomly throwing out accusations without having come across many people who truly believe their God is an awesome God because he can part seas and make grizzly bears walk on water to get in Noah's boat.
Posted on 12/24/14 at 12:37 pm to NC_Tigah
quote:And you continue to cry.
If facts are insulting, so be it. Your incapacity to understand the message, much less address it, speaks for itself. Yet you continue to post on the topic. At this stage, I have to wonder why you're doing this to yourself.
When you go personal I know I've won.
Posted on 12/24/14 at 12:39 pm to CollegeFBRules
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You felt the need to engage a man in conversation who would prefer think scientists have altered skulls to prove evolution in order to "kill God" rather than let him sit in his own feces and drool? Someone like that doesn't want to learn something new, they want to imitate an ostrich.
You used to be a kinder soul...
And I'm bored, what can I say?
Posted on 12/24/14 at 12:40 pm to Tom288
I'm still kind, but I've lost my tolerance for morons.
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