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re: Satanic Temple puts up display at Michigan Capital
Posted on 12/24/14 at 12:04 am to CollegeFBRules
Posted on 12/24/14 at 12:04 am to CollegeFBRules
quote:If there is one universe or billions is beside the point, there still has to be existence! Why is there existence? That's the question you won't/can't answer from a purely materialistic point of view.
Every time you phrase the question, you make it sound like the potential for a multi-verse is crazy but the existence of a god completely logical. It's ridiculous.
quote:I agree. Science has help man purge himself of many superstitions and I, nor any other Christian who actually takes the time to think would argue that.
1000 years ago, the Earth was the center of the universe and everything rotated around it. Since then, we've come to understand miracles of yesterday were completely understandable and not mystical.
quote:This little gem shows you neither understand God nor science.
God shrinks as science progresses.
quote:Another beautiful example of your presuppositions towards believers in God. I believe the so called "God of the Gaps" is absurd and I reject it out of hand as you do, and as well as most Christians do.
You can fight it all you want, but God exists only in the gaps where science hasn't yet filled in the blanks.
quote:I love scientific breakthroughs just as much as anyone else. Why shouldn't I?
I don't have a problem with a faith that exists there, so long as people are willing to accept scientific breakthroughs when they happen, regardless of what it means about one's ideological beliefs.
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Posted on 12/24/14 at 12:08 am to mmcgrath
quote:What in the hell are even trying to say?
Who said anything about a mindless universe. I think this is where religion gets in trouble, in that it tries to deny the possibility regardless of evidence in order to make the universe fit into their religious beliefs. A long time ago it was denying that the Earth was the center of the solar system, then it became that the Earth is only 6,000 years old. Evolution is still denied by many as clearly it would throw the entire Old Testament out the window. Now the universe has to be mindless or else God created it.
Can anyone explain why God would create such a huge universe but only care about humans on Earth? What about the animals, why didn't they get souls?
Posted on 12/24/14 at 12:13 am to JazzyJeff
He's saying that Christians have constantly crawfished and moved the goalposts over the past millenium as new evidence has shown many of the ancient beliefs of Christianity to be false.
Posted on 12/24/14 at 12:15 am to JazzyJeff
quote:
If there is one universe or billions is beside the point, there still has to be existence! Why is there existence?
What the hell does it matter what is the point? There isn't a reason for being here, you just are.
quote:
This little gem shows you neither understand God nor science.
Sure thing, Dr. Jeff.
Posted on 12/24/14 at 12:16 am to genuineLSUtiger
quote:
He's saying that Christians have constantly crawfished and moved the goalposts over the past millenium as new evidence has shown many of the ancient beliefs of Christianity to be false.
Yahtzee!
Posted on 12/24/14 at 12:23 am to mmcgrath
quote:
Can anyone explain why God would create such a huge universe but only care about humans on Earth
Thank you...the hubris of the religious with respect to special creation is laughably bad.
Posted on 12/24/14 at 12:23 am to genuineLSUtiger
quote:Absolute total BS! The traditional understanding of God has been around for thousands of years among many different religious traditions.
He's saying that Christians have constantly crawfished and moved the goalposts over the past millenium as new evidence has shown many of the ancient beliefs of Christianity to be false.
Give me an example of an ancient Christian belief that science has proven false?
Posted on 12/24/14 at 12:30 am to JazzyJeff
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Give me an example of an ancient Christian belief that science has proven false?
wowPosted on 12/24/14 at 12:31 am to JazzyJeff
Do we even need science to talk about transubstantiation, Noah saving all the animals, or Moses parting the Red Sea?
Science proved Earth wasn't he center of the universe and the Catholic Church burned as heretics those who would go against its teachings.
If I'm wrong about everything I believe in, I'll try to find today's John Tetzel and buy my way out of hell thanks to the good works of the saints.
Science proved Earth wasn't he center of the universe and the Catholic Church burned as heretics those who would go against its teachings.
If I'm wrong about everything I believe in, I'll try to find today's John Tetzel and buy my way out of hell thanks to the good works of the saints.
Posted on 12/24/14 at 12:35 am to JazzyJeff
quote:
If there is one universe or billions is beside the point, there still has to be existence! Why is there existence? That's the question you won't/can't answer from a purely materialistic point of view.
Are you american? Do you watch football?
Does there have to be a winner for every game?
The majority of people would say yes.
But if you watch real football (ie, soccer) you know that a tie is a perfectly acceptable outcome.
You ask the question - why is there existence? You expect some answer summing it up (there's a god, the Big Bang, we live on turtles stacked on turtle, we are all in the matrix). Whatever. But the question should really be answers like this.
Why is there existence?
No.
There's your answer.
Posted on 12/24/14 at 12:41 am to JazzyJeff
I thought Galileo's life was threatened for having the gall to suggest that the Earth revolved around the sun and not vice versa. How about the Earth only being 6,000 years old? That's two right off the top of my head.
Posted on 12/24/14 at 12:51 am to CollegeFBRules
quote:A lazy answer
What the hell does it matter what is the point? There isn't a reason for being here, you just are.
Posted on 12/24/14 at 12:53 am to JazzyJeff
God did it is an even lazier answer.
Posted on 12/24/14 at 12:57 am to JazzyJeff
So you need to believe you are here as a test for an eternal life. No problem. It's a delusion, but if it makes you happy, live the happy delusion.
Posted on 12/24/14 at 1:11 am to CollegeFBRules
quote:This is a metaphysical/theological belief some Christians have based on faith in the words of Jesus, so science is irrelevant here.
Do we even need science to talk about transubstantiation
quote:The stories are myths written with a theological intent. They have never been seen as historical events except by a very small minority of Christian, mainly American evangelicals. And if you believe these stories were meant to be taken as actual historical events, then you're just as guilty of fundamentalism as those you so gleefully mock.
Noah saving all the animals, or Moses parting the Red Sea?
quote:Geocentrism has never been a teaching/dogma of the Church. And besides that was the prevailing belief among all scientist of the day, not only Christians. And just for shits and giggles, Pope Urban VIII was a supporter of Galileo and his heliocentric theory and was opposed to his condemnation. There's much, much more to the story of the condemnation of Galileo that you obviously know.
Science proved Earth wasn't he center of the universe and the Catholic Church burned as heretics those who would go against its teachings.
Posted on 12/24/14 at 1:13 am to JazzyJeff
quote:
Give me an example of an ancient Christian belief that science has proven false
uh the Earth and Man are the Center of the Universe.
the whole 'in his image' thingy
This post was edited on 12/24/14 at 1:16 am
Posted on 12/24/14 at 1:16 am to CollegeFBRules
quote:A test? Really? Is this what you Christianity teaches?
So you need to believe you are here as a test for an eternal life.
quote:It is. And it's not Christianity either.
It's a delusion
Posted on 12/24/14 at 1:18 am to JazzyJeff
quote:
The stories are myths written with a theological intent. They have never been seen as historical events except by a very small minority of Christian, mainly American evangelicals. And if you believe these stories were meant to be taken as actual historical events, then you're just as guilty of fundamentalism as those you so gleefully mock.
bullshite...not one Church in any sermon starts it off with....'now this is allegory, so just take it for whats its worth'
Posted on 12/24/14 at 1:25 am to Cruiserhog
quote:This has never been a Christian teaching. and besides, It was Jesuit scientists who first floated the idea of Geocentrism long before Galileo.
uh the Earth and Man are the Center of the Universe.
quote:So science has proven that man is not created in the image of God? Really?
the whole 'in his image' thingy
Posted on 12/24/14 at 1:28 am to JazzyJeff
quote:
So science has proven that man is not created in the image of God? Really?
Yep, its called the Theory of Evolution and its fact, testable, observable, fact.
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