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Posted on 12/22/14 at 1:52 pm to FT
quote:I think this is a product of our natural pattern-seeking inclination. I don't think the belief in gods is something that is inherent or instinctual--it's more of a by-product of our base instincts.
It is, in the very strictest definition, an atheist. But to say that that's the default view of the human race is to ignore literally the entire history of the human race. Humans sort of naturally believe in some deity or deities.
This post was edited on 12/22/14 at 1:53 pm
Posted on 12/22/14 at 1:53 pm to FooManChoo
Law is a man made construct to regulate society, and as such is the interpretation of what society deems in terms of guilty or not guilty, and not in facts or beliefs.
There is never a definitive black or white in legal interpretation.
Now I'll wait for someone to call me a racist...
There is never a definitive black or white in legal interpretation.
Now I'll wait for someone to call me a racist...
Posted on 12/22/14 at 1:54 pm to Hog on the Hill
This isn't a conversation about faith. It's about laws.
If you put up a statue of one thingamajig, you have to put up another statue of a thingamajig because the law cannot favor one over another.
It has nothing to do with God, gods, G-d, or fish.
If you put up a statue of one thingamajig, you have to put up another statue of a thingamajig because the law cannot favor one over another.
It has nothing to do with God, gods, G-d, or fish.
Posted on 12/22/14 at 1:57 pm to Hog on the Hill
quote:
It succinctly communicates what a person believes with respect to the existence of gods
Yes, but then how could a baby be said to be an atheist. They merely "lack" belief in God. A lacking of a belief cannot be a belief in respect to something for it is a mere lack of belief. If you want to say the baby believes that God does not exists then it holds a belief and does not merely lack belief. I might be misreading you. If so I apologize.
quote:
That's why I argued much earlier in this thread that people shouldn't lump in all atheists together, like they're a bloc.
Agreed on this point.
Posted on 12/22/14 at 1:57 pm to dawg2357
quote:So is a newborn infant a Christian, a Muslim, a Buddhist? A theist?
It is this strict definition that I have issue with. Now if one wanted to change it slightly to say that an atheist is someone who has the potential to believe yet still lacks that belief then I would be fine with that. However I would think that rules out babies. For example say someone is born stranded from society. As a baby they should not be considered an atheist. However when they grow up still away from society they reflect on nature. They come to the conclusion that this reality did not come to be by an intelligent mind, but simply is all there is for there is no evidence of a mind. I would say this person is an atheist, for even though they have the potential for belief in theism they still lack it.
How else would you describe a baby except as, "not having a belief in gods"? That's exactly what atheism means.
Like I said, it's almost entirely meaningless to call a baby an atheist. It's true, but it's not useful at all. It's like calling a baby "not a supporter of Ron Paul". Well, no shite.
quote:That's exactly the definition of atheism.
Yes, but then how could a baby be said to be an atheist. They merely "lack" belief in God. A lacking of a belief cannot be a belief in respect to something for it is a mere lack of belief. If you want to say the baby believes that God does not exists then it holds a belief and does not merely lack belief. I might be misreading you. If so I apologize.
The prefix "a-" means "without".
The root "theism" means "belief in a god or gods".
Atheism means "without belief in a god or gods" -- that's it. Anything more than that requires modifiers, like "strong atheist" or "gnostic atheist".
This post was edited on 12/22/14 at 2:00 pm
Posted on 12/22/14 at 2:01 pm to Revelator
quote:
This is one of the dumbest things posted in this thread and there is lots to choose from. You can no more prove that there is no God than I can produce evidence that he exist. You operate under the presumption that what you believe or don't believe is true. That is faith.
Whenever someone starts a response by hurling an insult, you have struck a chord.
Atheist bases decisions on what is observable.
You believe in things that are not observable.
Make me believe otherwise...
Posted on 12/22/14 at 2:02 pm to mahdragonz
quote:Okay but I'm not sure what that has to do with the derailed thread of discussion we're on? This thread has gotten way off topic.
This isn't a conversation about faith. It's about laws.
If you put up a statue of one thingamajig, you have to put up another statue of a thingamajig because the law cannot favor one over another.
It has nothing to do with God, gods, G-d, or fish.
Posted on 12/22/14 at 2:03 pm to Revelator
quote:
Then please, provide me with your definition of faith.
Hebrews 11:1 Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.
All that means is you believe in the Bible.
Posted on 12/22/14 at 2:05 pm to Hog on the Hill
Wrong again. You are actively rejecting Jesus and will be punished eternally for it. Next time Jesus shows up at the foot of your bed in the middle of the night, listen to what the man has to say rather than shush him and show him the door. God damn heathens up in here.
Posted on 12/22/14 at 2:09 pm to HeadChange
quote:Uh oh, Poe's Law.
Wrong again. You are actively rejecting Jesus and will be punished eternally for it. Next time Jesus shows up at the foot of your bed in the middle of the night, listen to what the man has to say rather than shush him and show him the door. God damn heathens up in here.
Posted on 12/22/14 at 2:09 pm to Porkchop Express
quote:
Whenever someone starts a response by hurling an insult, you have struck a chord. [/quote
Or maybe the statement was simply dumb. That's an option too you know.
[quote]Atheist bases decisions on what is observable.
One can't disprove God by observable things.
This post was edited on 12/22/14 at 2:11 pm
Posted on 12/22/14 at 2:11 pm to HeadChange
quote:
Next time Jesus shows up at the foot of your bed in the middle of the night,
But there are usually three of them that come down from the spaceship.
Are the other two God and the Holy Spirit?
Posted on 12/22/14 at 2:11 pm to Scoop
quote:
Does rule number one in the feaux rebellious millenial rule book state that one must not give a shite about their hair in order to be down with the cause?
Holy shite you got mad toward the end
Also, Satanism isn't something millennial so not sure how that applies
Posted on 12/22/14 at 2:12 pm to Porkchop Express
quote:
All that means is you believe in the Bible.
I do and unashamedly so. And FT knows this so I'm wondering why he is wanting me to provide him with a definition of faith?
Posted on 12/22/14 at 2:13 pm to Superior Pariah
I've done some research on Satanism and it's pretty interesting and is not the Devil worshipping religion it is portrayed to be.
Basically it is an offshoot of Atheism with a title. You worship and elevate yourself above all others, while using Satan as the symbol of your beliefs since he elevated himself above God.
Regardless, the statue is badass
Basically it is an offshoot of Atheism with a title. You worship and elevate yourself above all others, while using Satan as the symbol of your beliefs since he elevated himself above God.
Regardless, the statue is badass
Posted on 12/22/14 at 2:15 pm to Porkchop Express
quote:
Are the other two God and the Holy Spirit?
Yes. They should have been wearing name tags and had a glowing presence about them.
Posted on 12/22/14 at 2:16 pm to Revelator
quote:
One can't disprove God by observable things.
I am not trying to prove or disprove anything to anyone. Hey knock yourself out with your Bible and chant in your megaphone (that is my belief of what you do during Mardi Gras).
God does not exist to me because there is nothing observable to verify he exists.
The end...
Posted on 12/22/14 at 2:20 pm to HeadChange
quote:
Yes. They should have been wearing name tags and had a glowing presence about them.
They were wearing name tags, but the lettering looked those characters on the atomic bracelet from the Predator movies.
Posted on 12/22/14 at 2:26 pm to Porkchop Express
If Y'all think your so smart then why are there still monkeys, huh? Athiest think they know it all and claim we come from a monkey and yet, lo and behold, monkeys can still be seen in the wild to this day. No answer for that, is there, democraps?
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