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re: Sandy Hook Commission Draft: Homeschoolers are evil
Posted on 10/8/14 at 11:07 am to OleWar
Posted on 10/8/14 at 11:07 am to OleWar
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Jeauxbleaux is right, most people consider homeschooling because of the demographics of their public school systems.
No, Jeauxbleaux is talking out of his arse about something he has no clue about. This is simply untrue for the large majority of homeschoolers. I speak as a reluctant homeschooler who thought this was the case but it simply is not true.
This post was edited on 10/8/14 at 11:08 am
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Posted on 10/8/14 at 11:09 am to SettleDown
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There are 4 home schooled kids on my street. 2 are of Indian descent and 2 are black
they'll need to get their govt indoctrination later in life, no problem.
Posted on 10/8/14 at 11:11 am to JEAUXBLEAUX
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JEAUXBLEAUX
You really took that one off the deep end.
Posted on 10/8/14 at 11:12 am to SlowFlowPro
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i mean, i don't want to give kooks like TX Tiger ammo, but this really does reek of some super scary stuff
Another poster crossed off the list who gets his jollies calling me names.....then agrees with me.
Posted on 10/8/14 at 11:15 am to arktiger28
Currently homeschool enrollment is growing 7 times faster than public school enrollment. Surely you guys don't believe this is strictly a religious racist movement.
Posted on 10/8/14 at 11:17 am to arktiger28
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Currently homeschool enrollment is growing 7 times faster than public school enrollment. Surely you guys don't believe this is strictly a religious racist movement.
Does it even remotely threaten the monoply of education by public school teacher's unions?
Then they are religious racists.
This post was edited on 10/8/14 at 11:48 am
Posted on 10/8/14 at 11:25 am to buckeye_vol
quote:Parents basically spend 24/7 with their children, whereas a teacher spends a few hours with an entire set of rotating classes.
For example, are parents taught how to identify and differentiate between deficits in specific reading skills, then provide interventions to address these deficits?
I must be a genius to figure out that the parent is infinitely better equipped at knowing their own child's skills and deficits.
quote:True, the difference is the parent has 24/7 to work with their child - while a teacher at a government institution has a few hours to work with an entire class.
teaching to the below average student or a student with a disability is not so easy.
quote:Coulda fooled me.
I'm not advocating for any control over parents' choices,
quote:Then surely you've recognized the utter inefficiency of every government agency in existence, not to mention the ineffectiveness of each.
but I am recognizing the potential drawbacks to homeschooling compared to a traditional setting (i.e., public and private schools).
Posted on 10/8/14 at 11:28 am to Wolfhound45
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Does it even remotely threaten the monoply of education by public school teacher's unions?
Not yet, but you can bet the moment it does we'll see an influx of crap like the OP linked. They'll find a way to suppress it.
Posted on 10/8/14 at 12:14 pm to TN Bhoy
This is disturbing to me. I recently began homeschooling my son out of necessity. He's a great kid with no mental health issues. But, he's sick and the school system could no longer accommodate him adequately. Even through the IEP process, there are standard solutions. These solutions work well for the majority, but when your kid doesn't fit into any box, they really don't know what to do. At the end, the school system was adamant that they knew what was best for him and we're demeaning to me as his mother, treating me like I was being ridiculous about his condition and insisting that they needed to speak directly with his doctor (who recommended homeschooling) like they thought I was lying about it. Even though he put it in writing (twice). Their overreaching in the end was what sealed it for me. They are not in the medical business and yet they often act as though they are. Teachers suggesting kids be put on medication (illegal, btw) or casually "diagnosing" kids with various conditions is rampant in the school system. I am his mother, and in the end, it should be my choice how he is educated. If he cannot be accommodated through typical means, then something else has to be done. Now, our situation is different. But, the reach of the system into my home and personal affairs is out of control. One very disturbed kid did a horrible thing. It is not indicative of all kids who have similar situations. Not home schooled kids or kids with Asperger's or kids with divorced parents, etc. This reeks of needing to place blame somewhere. The blame lies with the mother for having all of those weapons around a disturbed child and the schools for not allowing teachers to have weapons and so many other societal problems and personal problems within that one family. But, as usual, instead of opening a dialogue and finding solutions to mental health, school system, and gun issues, we have some twisted need to simplify that which cannot be reduced. Many elements were at play here.
Posted on 10/8/14 at 12:20 pm to drunkenpunkin
quote:Wait...Government...overreaching? That's a first.
Their overreaching in the end was what sealed it for me.
quote:When are the narcissists going to wake up and realize that government is NOT there for your benefit?
This is disturbing to me. I recently began homeschooling my son out of necessity. He's a great kid with no mental health issues. But, he's sick and the school system could no longer accommodate him adequately. Even through the IEP process, there are standard solutions. These solutions work well for the majority, but when your kid doesn't fit into any box, they really don't know what to do. At the end, the school system was adamant that they knew what was best for him and we're demeaning to me as his mother, treating me like I was being ridiculous about his condition and insisting that they needed to speak directly with his doctor (who recommended homeschooling) like they thought I was lying about it. Even though he put it in writing (twice). Their overreaching in the end was what sealed it for me. They are not in the medical business and yet they often act as though they are. Teachers suggesting kids be put on medication (illegal, btw) or casually "diagnosing" kids with various conditions is rampant in the school system. I am his mother, and in the end, it should be my choice how he is educated. If he cannot be accommodated through typical means, then something else has to be done. Now, our situation is different. But, the reach of the system into my home and personal affairs is out of control. One very disturbed kid did a horrible thing. It is not indicative of all kids who have similar situations. Not home schooled kids or kids with Asperger's or kids with divorced parents, etc. This reeks of needing to place blame somewhere. The blame lies with the mother for having all of those weapons around a disturbed child and the schools for not allowing teachers to have weapons and so many other societal problems and personal problems within that one family. But, as usual, instead of opening a dialogue and finding solutions to mental health, school system, and gun issues, we have some twisted need to simplify that which cannot be reduced. Many elements were at play here.
Posted on 10/8/14 at 12:29 pm to TX Tiger
One very simple interaction reminds me of the inept nature of our government. I go to buy cigarettes (I know.....) and am carded. I'm 35 years old. I don't look even close to 18. But, out of fear of some old looking teens getting a pack of smokes, the government has regulated away common fricking sense. That's pretty much how I see most things they do. Like, the average person is too fricking stupid to figure this out alone, so we must help the poor inept retards with every aspect of life.
Posted on 10/8/14 at 12:32 pm to drunkenpunkin
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The blame lies with the mother for having all of those weapons around a disturbed child and the schools for not allowing teachers to have weapons and so many other societal problems and personal problems within that one family. But, as usual, instead of opening a dialogue and finding solutions to mental health, school system, and gun issues, we have some twisted need to simplify that which cannot be reduced. Many elements were at play here.
Not to mention that, if anything, things like Sandy Hook are reasons to keep your kids out of school.
They're basically telling parents that to ensure the safety of all kids, you need to send your kids to the defenseless place where a bunch of kids were killed by a madman. The system flat-out fails to even attempt to protect the kids and then wants to send a man with a gun to your house to force your kid to be in the system.
Posted on 10/8/14 at 12:33 pm to buckeye_vol
Festus, your children are citizens and can expect the same protections that we all would from things like physical, emotional or sexual abuse. It is our business and it is your business to protect the welfare of a child. Do we have the money or always allocate the money necessary to do it properly, all of the time - no but that there is someone and some agency out there looking out for the interest of the large number of kids who are abused is a good thing.
Posted on 10/8/14 at 12:36 pm to uway
No kidding. How many school shootings have there been? You don't hear so much about kids just shooting up their homes or neighborhoods (that aren't thug gang bangers).
Posted on 10/8/14 at 12:42 pm to JEAUXBLEAUX
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It would be a travesty if little Joey found out other people are people also. Can't let little Pin head to think different than mom and dads brainwashing
My homeschooled 5 year old boy played 1 on 1 soccer with an 8 year old black girl yesterday while his big sister played in a rec league game. Then my 2 year old little girl sat with that same black girl on a bench for awhile. I wasn't really paying attention, though, because I don't think black people are evil.
But hey, I'm white and Christian, so I must be homeschooling because racism.
Also, that 5 year old tested above a 3rd grade reading level today. I know that because my homeschooling wife, who is a 3-time teacher of the year award winner in 3 different public school systems, told me so.
But I guess this would be a better world if statists had their way, and my 5 year old had to go sit in a public kindergarten with a bunch of low-income kids who can't spell their name and are being raised in a way that's contrary to what I believe about life.
Posted on 10/8/14 at 12:46 pm to TX Tiger
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Parents basically spend 24/7 with their children, whereas a teacher spends a few hours with an entire set of rotating classes.
I must be a genius to figure out that the parent is infinitely better equipped at knowing their own child's skills and deficits.
I'm sure most parents could use a basal reader and identify students who are having deficits; however, do you think they could identify deficits that are more consistent with a specific learning disability in basic reading (i.e., Dyslexia-type deficits) and reading fluency. Or within the area of basic reading, would they be adept at differentiating problems of phonological awareness such as phoneme segmentation and phoneme blending? I wouldn't expect anybody without that training (e.g., reading specialists, school psychologists) to be able to do that; however, those professionals are a resource that schools have access to. Besides that's the problem identification, interventions are a whole other process altogether.
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True, the difference is the parent has 24/7 to work with their child - while a teacher at a government institution has a few hours to work with an entire class.
I agree that the parent is the expert on the child, especially from a holistic sense; however, professionals have specific training and skills related to education that the average parent may not possess. I think educators and parents working collaboratively is best for the child. Just like a parent can bring valuable information to the Pediatrician; however, the Pediatrician has specific skills—similar but admittedly more advanced than an educator—that go beyond parenting.
quote:
Coulda fooled me.
I admit that the government is the most inefficient organization we have. That doesn't mean that non-state run methods do not have potential problems that may need addressed (maybe through a homeschooling organization).
quote:
Then surely you've recognized the utter inefficiency of every government agency in existence, not to mention the ineffectiveness of each.
I surely do; however, I recognize that there are many competent, and well-trained, individuals that work within the inefficient organization. I also recognize that there are alternatives (i.e., private schools) that have these well-trained individuals too. I just think that a parent with no training whatsoever in instruction, curriculum, and learning theories may be at a disadvantage without that support. As Paulka said earlier, there are some programs that offer that support; these are probably doing a great job. But in a situation where a parent is on their own with no training and/or support then I think there could be some drawbacks.
Posted on 10/8/14 at 12:47 pm to uway
quote:BOOM
things like Sandy Hook are reasons to keep your kids out of (public) school.
Posted on 10/8/14 at 12:47 pm to TN Bhoy
Hitler outlawed home schooling. It's still illegal in Germany. Like where we are headed?
Posted on 10/8/14 at 12:53 pm to uway
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My homeschooled 5 year old boy played 1 on 1 soccer with an 8 year old black girl yesterday while his big sister played in a rec league game. Then my 2 year old little girl sat with that same black girl on a bench for awhile. I wasn't really paying attention, though, because I don't think black people are evil.
I know that you have responded to me, but what you are doing, keeping your kids active in outside activities with peers, is important for students that are home-schooled.
Basically, one of my concerns with homeschooling is that traditional education setting (public or private) may be the only place some children get social interaction. This could be problematic if those same kids are home-schooled and not involved in outside activities with peers (e.g., sports, youth groups, scouts, etc.) to build social skills.
That being said, that concern is alleviated in situations like yours where children are involved in outside activities.
Posted on 10/8/14 at 1:01 pm to buckeye_vol
quote:Oh heavens no. Only government could rescue you from your child.
I'm sure most parents could use a basal reader and identify students who are having deficits; however, do you think they could identify deficits that are more consistent with a specific learning disability in basic reading (i.e., Dyslexia-type deficits) and reading fluency.
quote:If a parent feels their child needs specialized training they'll seek that help. This is obvious to everyone except those that cling to the notion that government is our saviour.
I agree that the parent is the expert on the child, especially from a holistic sense; however, professionals have specific training and skills related to education that the average parent may not possess.
quote:Exactly. And that can only begin when government is taken out of the equation. Because government has ZERO vested interest in your child.
I think educators and parents working collaboratively is best for the child.
quote:Sounds like the intelligent and logical thing to do, then, is to eliminate the inefficiency altogether. It's a no-brainer.
I recognize that there are many competent, and well-trained, individuals that work within the inefficient organization.
quote:Do you also recognize that it is not your place to decide what a parent chooses for their child's education?
I also recognize that there are alternatives (i.e., private schools) that have these well-trained individuals too. I just think that a parent with no training whatsoever in instruction, curriculum, and learning theories may be at a disadvantage without that support.
quote:There are drawbacks in everything you do. Why would you exacerbate that by involving government?
But in a situation where a parent is on their own with no training and/or support then I think there could be some drawbacks.
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