re: Sandy Hook Commission Draft: Homeschoolers are evil

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Such as?

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The quote below are some concerns I brought up in a previous post. I do not think this is exclusive to homeschooling or that homeschooling is inappropriate for all students. It was my mistake bringing this up in this thread as I am with everybody else in that the connection between Sandy Hook and homeschooling is absurd.

I just think that there are issues that need considered for every child and every educational system that is chosen.

I believe that students with average to above average intelligence and parents that are involved in their life and education will have positive outcomes regardless if they attend public, private, or home school.

I think that students with disabilities or skill-deficits are probably better served with high-qualified educators, which would be more likely in a public or private school than in a home schooling. That being said, there are options (e.g., home bound) that provides a sport of quasi-home/public schooling options.

I also recognize that being a good teacher is hard. Furthermore, the emotional aspects of a child-parent relationship could be detrimental when that transfers to a teacher-parent relationship.

Overall, these are broad concerns that I think are important to discuss and consider, but I do not advocate for more governmental control. That doesn't mean we can't have the discussion, but I should have picked a better thread than this one.

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You shouldn't care what I think. I just stated that I thought it. But here are some concerns.

1. Socialization opportunities with peers. School is a great time to learn to interact with others. Now if parents have their kids in other activities that give ample opportunity to socialize (e.g., sports, youth groups)then this isn't much of a concerns, but I think that interacting with peers is important.

2. Instruction. Teaching is hard, and this isn't exclusive to home-schooling; however, lack of training can be problematic. I think the likelihood of getting poor instruction is greater in a home-schooling environment with no training requirements. That being said, there are surely some parents who prove great instruction, even better than many teachers.

3. Curriculum. From what I understand, there are some excellent curriculums and some that are just flat out bad. Making sure parents know the differences between the good and bad is important. Unfortunately, it's easily to be persuaded. I just want them to have objective information.


Again these concerns are not exclusive to home-schooling. Nonetheless, I still think we need to try to work out the kinks in everything that we do.

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I think that students with disabilities or skill-deficits are probably better served with high-qualified educators,

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The difference is parents love their children and will often work damn hard for their own kids. You couldn't pay me enough to teach someone else's kid what I painstakingly sit through with my kid. And teaching 1 -5 kids at a time is much easier than the overcrowded rooms are current classrooms exist as. This isn't rocket science we are teaching our kids. And with the technology we have today, answers are just a click away for parents as well as kids. Great opportunity for kids to stay at home with a parent willing to put in the effort and control learning at their own pace.

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As a public schooled grad with the same flaws, I guess this shows our flaws are independent of one's educational environment; we could send this as a rebuttal to the commission's report.

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Would cosign

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Interestingly enough, I got stuck in the argument because I found KCT's comment quoted below to be absurd. In addition, I had just read the Oprah thread where she made some absurd accusations about you so her shtick had become especially tiresome.

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KCT likes to argue and froth at the mouth for the sake of arguing It's always funny when she tries to go after me because half the time I'm actually on her side of an issue but she's too busy spoiling for a fight and doesn't notice

And yet you and I and other otherwise well-adjusted prople continue to return to this place :lol:

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KCT likes to argue and froth at the mouth for the sake of arguing It's always funny when she tries to go after me because half the time I'm actually on her side of an issue but she's too busy spoiling for a fight and doesn't notice

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This is what happens when one's worldview is that society is out to get them. Although, she could be trolling and not truly believe what she says (I doubt it though.)

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And yet you and I and other otherwise well-adjusted prople continue to return to this place

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Maybe we're not well-adjusted (maybe nobody is), it's just that coming back to this place that makes us realize that we could be more paranoid and irrational compared to our reference group (i.e., some of the other posters.)

Homeschoolers aren't evil, they're just predominantly white conservative Christians which rubs some people on the far left the wrong way.

Other than some general, mild social awkwardness I really don't see an issue with homeschooling. If you are home schooling because you think the public school system blows, more power to you. If you're home schooling to keep your kid from being "indoctrinated" by "propaganda" in history and science classes, your kid was probably going to pick up your beliefs anyway given the nature of the parenting being used.

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Homeschoolers aren't evil

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I try to be evil on Mondays and Thursdays

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Well you aren't always going to get a good one. Especially at $30k per year.

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Agreed. But I think the likelihood is greater that you'll find an educator with those skills than a parent who hasn't had any training.

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NOBODY has better training for their child than the parent.

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From what I've seen, that may not always be the case.

And just completely ignore... No Air Rescue Copters ordered... And the shooter killed 22 out of 22. No wounded. All kill shots. Greatest shooting exhibition in history. Make sure to see the Grieving Dad... LINK