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re: Russia: Is History Repeating Itself? Those who ignore it...
Posted on 2/23/22 at 2:29 pm to Prominentwon
Posted on 2/23/22 at 2:29 pm to Prominentwon
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Wasn’t our problem in Europe in WWII either. Why were we there?
Because Roosevelt wanted to aid his Bolshevik allies. Same bunch of Bolsheviks that are now in charge of the US. Worked out really well for us didn't it?
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Posted on 2/23/22 at 2:31 pm to Seldom Seen
Sure. Had absolutely nothing to do with fighting off a crazed lunatic that murdered millions of people.
So what happens if someone attacks the US, then what? Still not our problem or is all the bad people in the US and no one would ever dream about attacking this country so it had to be our own people?
So what happens if someone attacks the US, then what? Still not our problem or is all the bad people in the US and no one would ever dream about attacking this country so it had to be our own people?
Posted on 2/23/22 at 2:34 pm to sta4ever
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Are these Baltic states Russian speaking people?
No. Estonian is like Finnish. Latvian and Lithuanian are similar to only each other, maybe a little bit Germanic. They all used our alphabet not the cyrillic one slavic languages use.
Posted on 2/23/22 at 2:37 pm to Prominentwon
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Sure. Had absolutely nothing to do with fighting off a crazed lunatic that murdered millions of people.
No. Because if that was the case he wouldn't have allied with Stalin.
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So what happens if someone attacks the US, then what? Still not our problem or is all the bad people in the US and no one would ever dream about attacking this country so it had to be our own people?
Umm, a hypothetical attack on US soil is not the same thing as us fighting a war across an ocean on foreign soil.
Posted on 2/23/22 at 2:42 pm to Seldom Seen
It's a war to support a country against an oppressive tyrant who will soon set his eyes on us.
America will be unhappy if Russia - and not Uraine as a part of the "west" has all of Ukraine's bounty of natural resoureces.
Ukraine along can feed 600 million people a year.
America will be unhappy if Russia - and not Uraine as a part of the "west" has all of Ukraine's bounty of natural resoureces.
Ukraine along can feed 600 million people a year.
Posted on 2/23/22 at 2:45 pm to Eurocat
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It's a war to support a country against an oppressive tyrant who will soon set his eyes on us.
Putin is an oppressive tyrant but not Biden? Not Trudeau?
Again I think we have bigger problems to worry about here at home.
Posted on 2/23/22 at 2:51 pm to Eurocat
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This post was edited on 8/22/22 at 2:37 pm
Posted on 2/23/22 at 2:57 pm to WildTchoupitoulas
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I'm pretty sure it wasn't so much that the Allies failed to "beat the Russians to Berlin" as much as Eastern Germany was given up at Yalta a month before Patton's 3rd Army crossed the Rhine.
Agreeing not to beat them to Berlin still counts as failing to beat them to Berlin.
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Kaliningrad is the best thing to ever happen to Konigsberg.
Bizarre take. In what way?
Besides I don’t give a frick about the well being or happiness of the people that live there or that lived there. The strategic mistake was giving the Soviets an exclave on the Baltic and allowing the Russian SFSR to keep it. It has nothing to do with the population or what the city is called.
It is setting them up to demand land from Poland and/or Lithuania at some point.
This post was edited on 2/23/22 at 2:59 pm
Posted on 2/23/22 at 2:58 pm to Seldom Seen
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We were talked into both world wars by a bunch of international bankers.
Hitler declared war on the United States, not the other way around.
Posted on 2/23/22 at 3:01 pm to Prominentwon
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But he already has NATO/EU countries bordering his country….why is it different with Ukraine?
Maybe try reading it again...? [Now, with EMPH-asis!]
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...not only right on his border, but also fully in control of his only warm water port at Sevastopol.
Just put yourself in his shoes. Would you just be fine with the West coming right to your border and taking your economic allies and strategic assets?
I just can't take, "He's fine with losing Latvia, why is Ukraine different?" seriously.
Posted on 2/23/22 at 3:06 pm to WildTchoupitoulas
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Would you just be fine with the West coming right to your border and taking your economic allies and strategic assets?
Did the West "come to his borders" and force NATO into central and eastern Europe, or did sovereign nation states that border his country seek NATO membership immediately after getting out from under Moscow's yoke?
No matter how anyone, anywhere "feels" about the situation, Russia has no lawful standing to dictate the foreign policy decisions of other nations.
Russia already has Crimea/Sevastopol anyways, and Ukraine is not capable of taking it back.
This post was edited on 2/23/22 at 3:08 pm
Posted on 2/23/22 at 3:09 pm to Indefatigable
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Hitler declared war on the United States, not the other way around.
So America wouldn't have fought in Europe otherwise?
Spare me the childish playground notion of who stepped on who's sneakers.
Posted on 2/23/22 at 3:14 pm to Rocco Immediate
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So America wouldn't have fought in Europe otherwise?
We were not fighting in Europe before Hitler declared war on the United States. So it is your position that we were just going to start at some point? You're probably correct--simply because Germany's U-Boat campaign would have dragged us into the second world war just as it had the first.
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Spare me the childish playground notion of who stepped on who's sneakers.
Pseudo-historian edgelords are so tiresome when it comes to the World Wars and our involvement in them. The idea that the United States could have sat on the sidelines the entire time in both wars is completely absurd, and would have required the US to just accept attacks on US shipping and interests at the very least.
This post was edited on 2/23/22 at 3:16 pm
Posted on 2/23/22 at 3:24 pm to Indefatigable
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Agreeing not to beat them to Berlin
We didn't know we could beat them to Berlin. We AT LEAST wanted them to stop there.
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Bizarre take. In what way?
Without the war-mongering Prussians there, the Danzig Corridor becomes a non-issue, for one.
For another, frick the Prussians.
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The strategic mistake was giving the Soviets an exclave on the Baltic
The Allies didn't 'have' East Prussia to 'give' to the Soviets. They fricking took it - at great cost.
I guess I just don't see the Allies as having all the cards in February of 1945. We actually had to work with the USSR to defeat Germany. It's not just a matter of the US making unilateral demands on them and expecting they'll just bow down and give us whatever we wanted. Stalin had over 150 divisions for the invasion of Germany, while Eisenhower had less than half that.
The Prussians should've been removed, and the land ceded to Poland. But then, why would the Red Army cede ANY territory it fought so hard for - especially German territory? Would you?
Posted on 2/23/22 at 3:26 pm to Bard
quote:The native language of 74.9% of the population of the Donetsk region is Russian
It is also true that Crimea in 2014 had an ethnic Russian majority of about 60 percent — the only part of Ukraine where ethnic Russians constituted the majority.
The native language of 85.3% of the population of the Luhansk region is Russian
In Crimea 65.3% were Russians (1.492 mln), 15.1% Ukrainians (344.5 thousand) with 60% identifying Russian as their native language.
Posted on 2/23/22 at 3:33 pm to Eurocat
quote:You hate Putin. I get that. The problem with your hate and that of our press and politicians is Putin becomes a shiny object distracting from Xi, who is a far far more virulent threat.
It's a war to support a country against an oppressive tyrant who will soon set his eyes on us.
Posted on 2/23/22 at 3:36 pm to Indefatigable
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Did the West "come to his borders" and force NATO into central and eastern Europe, or did sovereign nation states that border his country seek NATO membership immediately after getting out from under Moscow's yoke?
Clearly with Estonia and Latvia, they wanted protection from Russia. I don't think Ukraine wanted protection from Russia as the Baltic nations did.
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Russia has no lawful standing to dictate the foreign policy decisions of other nations.
And the CIA does?
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Russia already has Crimea/Sevastopol anyways
But isn't that what this is all about, Russia invading Ukraine after a CIA coup installed a government in Kiev that was not friendly to Russia? Any more incursions into Ukraine is only to secure access to and water for Crimea - and to destabilize the government in Kiev.
I really think this will all abate when the Zelensky government collapses, Putin installs his man, and Ukraine joins the EEU. The new government will invite the Russian army in, at which point they will harden the access to Sevastopol, and secure water access, so this shite doesn't happen again.
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Ukraine is not capable of taking it back.
So what are you saying...?
Posted on 2/23/22 at 3:46 pm to Bard
So which elites from another foreign country were stealing money from their taxpayers and washing / laundering it through Danzig of Poland exactly? Hitler invaded Poland just to eliminate the foreign corruption there?
No history is not repeating itself.
Brian Cates:
https://t.me/TheStormHasArrived17/8348
https://t.me/TheStormHasArrived17/8349
No history is not repeating itself.
Brian Cates:
https://t.me/TheStormHasArrived17/8348
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Zelensky won the presidency in 2019 in a huge upset, but let's realistic here. The globalist international money-laundering machine that had been constructed over the previous 20 years didn't go anywhere and Zelensky always had limited, if any, control over it.
https://t.me/TheStormHasArrived17/8349
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The reason Biden and Co. suddenly had to drum up a war in Ukraine is because Zelensky working behind the scenes with Putin is setting up a vast sea change in Ukraine. He needed outside help to pull it off. This is what Trump was setting up before he left. And of course Biden and the WEF globalists are FREAKING OUT over not only losing their money laundering cash cow, but also being exposed for all the hundreds of billions of dollars they've stolen from their own countries and funneled through the Ukrainian banks.
Posted on 2/23/22 at 3:49 pm to Prominentwon
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Why were we there?
To secure market share.
Posted on 2/23/22 at 4:05 pm to WildTchoupitoulas
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And the CIA does?
Where did I say that?
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Russia invading Ukraine after a CIA coup installed a government in Kiev that was not friendly to Russia?
Even if true, which I do not doubt, that government has already been replaced by a legitimate elections. Zelensky's government was chosen by Ukrainians, not the CIA.
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Ukraine joins the EEU
I do not see that happening, but we will see and I don't really care whether it does or not. If that is what Ukraine decides for itself then fine.
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at which point they will harden the access to Sevastopol, and secure water access, so this shite doesn't happen again.
Russia already has all of that. They already have unhindered road, sea, rail, and air access to it. Taking the rest of Ukraine does not strengthen Russia's hold on Crimea.
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